Commonwealth Games website (re Caster Semanya)

I post this again. Is this someone who has not 'switched' (from what I presume you mean 'identifying as female', to 'identifying as 'male')

Note he refers to women as 'they', not 'we'.

Its not a case of also having "some male features". Its a case of literally being a male person and having zero female reproductive parts or genes. Leaving aside the fact that semenya seems to have been treated as and lived as a boy when growing up, do you not think that at the very least, never having a period should have been a clue that something was up and would have been noticed in the teen years and investigated. They all knew.

Switch what?

Cheating by 'not switching' is his fault.

Are you tag-teaming?

Oh look, another label from someone who no doubt hates it when they themselves are miss labelled.

Because she was assigned female at birth and has not chosen to switch.
That isn't her fault.
Insisting that the testerone rules "aren't fair" is.

Why are you happy to call a male 'she' when we're specifically talking about female sports category.

And yes, he behaved like a male as a teenager, so his cheating, in my opinion, is worse because he knew he was in the wrong category.

If we could just turn back the clock on this bullshit pronoun line, we could correctly call transwomen males, he/him.

Happy to respect she/her pronouns for Caster.
However, I still stand with Lindsey Sharp who deserved a bronze in 2016 but was beaten by 3 intersex athletes - Caster, Francine and Margaret.
I absolutely believe athletes with DSD were deliberately scouted but that meant no level playing field.
Still don't see why you couldn't have a diverse category. It was not fair on Lindsey and others.
Caster also came across in one interview as though she had been socialised as a male not female (irrespective of sex, identity or gender presentation) so it is tricky to have empathy with someone showing misogynistic attitudes.
I also think anyone - intersex, trans or cis - should want to win on their own merits in a fair fight. Anything else is cheating their peers. It isn't wrong to acknowledge that.

I'd like to think it's because they know he's a cheating male but it's probably not.

I'm so glad sex testing is now back for the female category in the Olympics. The world watching, and cheering on, men in the female boxing category was something I never thought I'd see.

That, and people saying fighting for women's rights is now considered far right 🙄

No and your question shows you haven’t grasped the situation here. To answer your question, with another question! you have a daughter who plays football and you are asking if that means your daughter is a boy?

Except its become very obvious that he knew he was a male since his teens at least
Did you actually read the thread?

I assumed from that remark that Millie doesn't know what bioessentialism means.

My DD plays football and played on her school’s boys’ team. Does that mean she’s a boy too? 🙄

Caster was believed to be female at birth, was brought up as female and always thought of herself as female. She didn’t know she also had some male features until after she had gained that record. She was exposed in a very humiliating way. This thread is nasty, toxic and bullying.

And I’m gender critical.

Oh dear.

No we don't believe that people's identity and personality are determined by their biological sex.

We believe that it should absolutely not be determined by your sex. Quite the opposite you see.

You can have any personality you want, irrespective of your sex.

You could be masculine and be male or female. You can be feminine, and be male or female. Any person can have any combination of identity, and personality, whatever their sex.

Hence 'gender critical'. Critical of gender being imposed on people because of their biology.

What we do believe is that biology determines your sex. That's it. Nothing else.

Just who has the babies and who provides the sperm.

And to be honest, if you believe someone other than females grow the babies, and someone other than males provide the sperm you really need to go back to school.

I'm quite surprised to see this discussion now, I thought we all knew we'd been scammed by now. I remember 'the poor innocent Caster, how shocking and traumatic to find out that you aren't a female' days, but then it came out that he's known from at least the teen years and was just a typical cheating male.

What planet are you on? He can consider himself whatever he wants (or more like, whatever will enable him to cheat at sport) but that doesn’t make it true.

My least favourite part of discussing Semenya with a TRA is that you'll initially think that, since they added 'intersex' to the pride flag, and that the existence of 'intersex' people is presumably one of their most cherished beliefs, that it'll be possible to have a sensible discussion with them about whether a so-called intersex person would be better suited to a male or female sporting category where only two exist, but, no, it turns out that the fact that Semenya wants to be called a woman is all that matters, CS therefore is a woman, and not intersex at all.

The natural next question might be, 'oh, so what would make someone intersex', an answer will almost never be forthcoming but on the rare occasions that it is the answer will usually be words to the effect of: 'it's a person who identifies as intersex'.

Don't forget: "racist against black women because they don't meet western beauty standards!"

I don't think that's true. "Bioessentialist", by my understanding, is a belief that human behaviour, eg conforming to gender roles, is biologically determined. That's not at all what most people here would argue.

What is your interpretation?

Tbf, "bioessentialist" is the literal term for your views on sex and gender. Why are you unhappy about me using that?

Its pretty obvious that outside of wanting to compete in the female category, semenya does not live or present as a woman at all, and doesnt consider himself one, even when growing up he wasnt treated as a girl at all. They (scouts, coaches etc) knew full well what they were doing - cheating.

Just waiting to be told how disappointing we are.

“Anti rights”