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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

UK radical feminists; what to do?

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RealRoseCritic · 29/07/2026 15:19

So there was a question earlier today in one of my groups about TERFs in the UK, why are they so strong there, etc. Let me elaborate on something.

There is something special in mainstream British feminism that is quite different from European feminism(s), but since the English speaking internet concerns mostly the Anglosphere and not Europe, due to us having separate, isolated debates in each country/language, you won't likely ever hear how the UK is substantially different.
It is important to understand the logic of British feminism. Unlike European feminism, which is mostly inclusive and focused on stuff like equal pay, care, safe design of public space and general equity, in the UK it was always about "separate but equal".

British centres of power were always men-only, and many British feminists didn't react the way European women did (aka pushed their way into male spaces, so that these became co-ed spaces), but created their own, separate spaces, which they then aggressively policed the same way British men did with theirs. Add some Victorian prudishness and bioessentialism, that was abandoned in Europe after WWII for obvious reasons, but not in the UK, and voilà, here come British second-wave radfems and the TERFs.

I am from the Czech Republic where I currently live; I lived in Norway, Poland and the Netherlands, I speak fluently multiple European languages and understand few others; I don't say that to brag, but to show my ability to do the comparative analysis, since I study the topic closely.

Out of EU member states, only in Bulgaria and Hungary are trans rights worse than in the UK at the moment, with Hungary being expected to get substantially better soon, and in neither of those two countries are trans people, and especially trans women, as demonised as in the UK.

In all EU member states transphobia comes exclusively from far right places; it is unheard of that liberals or anyone non-far right would say what is absolutely the mainstream in the UK, including Hungary and Bulgaria.
If you are saying the stuff JKR is saying, you are 100 % aligned with far right politics.

We had an attempt by a group of our far right senators to enact a bill proposal similar to what is in the UK, but the proposal was killed within a week before it could have been even voted upon in the Chamber of Deputies. Just for instance.
Scandinavian feminism is focused mostly on fair share of care and chores, German feminism focuses mostly on equal pay, Kita for everyone and the like, Polish feminism is mostly about access to abortion, Czech feminism is mostly about equal pay and safety from domestic violence - I could go on, but all in all, men are welcome to participate and the goal is to create equity for everyone, regardless of their gender. Together.
We don't get British obsession with separate spaces for women, women here are absolutely fine with the way things are, mostly because cultures in the Continent are far less prudish and overall we treat men and women as one people rather than different species.

Moreover, because of civil law rather than common law, we have different approach to legal texts and their interpretations; this makes it different too.
Not just regarding trans rights, but also regarding women's rights, I am often amazed by how much backward the UK is in so many ways compared to the EU (again, including places like Hungary, this needs to be stressed). I often see women in English-speaking debates saying things like "ugh, men" on things that actually concern problems that are specifically British and that stem mostly from both societies' tendency to separate already boys from girls, treating them differently and sexualising women in contexts we don't really see as sexual at all.

We can't really get this across the Channel, because we just don't have the power to do so. For instance Czech debate on feminism is quite isolated; it's interesting, but no more than 15 million people would ever be able to participate in it (CZ/SK) due to the language barrier, the same goes for Scandinavia (17 million), Benelux (28 million), Poland (38 million), or even DACH (95 million). It is nothing compared to half a billion people of the US, UK, CA, AU, NZ and IE that are giving tone to the worldwide debate in English.

So, if you are a British trans woman, you would do yourself a great favour if you moved to mainland Europe. You will be welcomed and cherished (for the most part).

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Shedmistress · 30/07/2026 07:05

Gretel346 · 30/07/2026 06:57

There's no test or qualification because it's not an issue of concern & has never been. To exclude people you kind of need there to be an actual problem that bothers people which isn't the case here. In fact this 'concern' has only been in the media from anti trans activists in the very recent times for only a few years which points to a manufactured issue rather than a real one.

So why do we have female anythings at all?

That is the question you were asked.

Gretel346 · 30/07/2026 07:11

Igneococcus · 30/07/2026 07:03

Well that is blatantly untrue, google Katie Dolatowski for example.
I still want to know why you supposed feminists twist yourselves into argumentative pretzels just to give men what they demand? Why?

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The context is Australia & pretending an individual is representative of the whole & therefore they must be treated as such is certainly a no no here.

Don't you dare think you can pull that right wing scape goating here & think you can get away with it.

Shedmistress · 30/07/2026 07:14

helderste · 29/07/2026 17:55

It must be tricky sometimes to keep all your socks tidy. I couldn’t be bothered, I’ve never been very domesticated.

Ok so I put them on the line together, pegged by the toe and then fold the bottoms over before I take them off the line.

Igneococcus · 30/07/2026 07:15

Gretel346 · 30/07/2026 07:11

The context is Australia & pretending an individual is representative of the whole & therefore they must be treated as such is certainly a no no here.

Don't you dare think you can pull that right wing scape goating here & think you can get away with it.

Ho do you oh so clever Australians tell a harmless transwoman from a predatory imposter and can you teach us?

mrshoho · 30/07/2026 07:16

Gretel346 · 30/07/2026 04:43

You aren't listening. Harm has to be balanced & specific to how the prevailing culture views harm. Just because there maybe 'potential harms' or odd occasions of harm sharing public toilets with trans women the pros & cons still need to be balanced. And harm to natal women in terms of increased scrutiny & harassment is one of those harms that many women would consider more important than 'dignity'. In fact many would argue there is no dignity in othering people for self invented 'preciousness'/dignity. We don't tend to indulge ourselves with the same 'airs & graces' as across the pond over here.

This isn't an issue in Australia purely because its not Australian's women's experience to be 'harmed' by trans women in public toilets….let alone even notice them there.

This is simply a manufactured issue that is being imposed rather than a grass roots concern.

Sal Grover has been all over the media with her attempts of this issue gaining traction all to no avail for a reason: Australian women don't care.

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This isn't an issue in Australia purely because its not Australian's women's experience to be 'harmed' by trans women in public toilets….let alone even notice them there.

Have the Australian people ever been consulted? No it's been forced upon them. Is it any wonder women are reluctant to express their objections when they risk committing a crime just by stating the truth? Risking their jobs and reputation.

Gretel346 · 30/07/2026 07:17

Shedmistress · 30/07/2026 07:05

So why do we have female anythings at all?

That is the question you were asked.

What a woman is in the eye of the beholder. Its not the objective truth you think it is or belief that you can impose on others.

And this is the crux of the matter. Fascist cultures can't accept individuality & so they will perform all manner mental gymnastics to enforce their my way or the high way mentality.

Igneococcus · 30/07/2026 07:17

mrshoho · 30/07/2026 07:16

This isn't an issue in Australia purely because its not Australian's women's experience to be 'harmed' by trans women in public toilets….let alone even notice them there.

Have the Australian people ever been consulted? No it's been forced upon them. Is it any wonder women are reluctant to express their objections when they risk committing a crime just by stating the truth? Risking their jobs and reputation.

And now they can't even call a transwoman a man without running the risk of being fined.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 30/07/2026 07:17

Gretel346 · 30/07/2026 06:30

What harm's do men identify as women come to that needs to be balanced out by denying women their same sex spaces. Why do women have to bare the brunt of this rebalancing why can't those who are doing the harming be made to change their behaviours.

Harm/rights balancing or proportionality is a general rule that doesn't just apply to women. In fact many women would argue that the harm of being scrutinised & harassed for not appearing feminine enough is not worth the exclusion of trans women.

Do Aus lesbian's care that they have to accept male bodies into their dating pool, and validate them as lesbian's. Because if man says he's a woman he is, just like that, and if said lady man fancies women, then he's also a lesbian, just like that. Not that anyone's imposing this view on them of course, heaven forbid no, that's colonialism.

Lesbians like most groups aren't an ideological monolith with many supporting trans women inclusion to their spaces & its not as if they are forced to date them.

equalityaustralia.org.au/reject-trans-exclusion/

I didn't ask about everyone else I asked you, your answer are bland and vacuous.
Why do women have to bare the brunt of solving any problems 'trans' ID males might be experiencing if women are not the one's causing the problems.
Why do women who are only sexual attracted to women have accept men are lesbian's.

In fact many women would argue that the harm of being scrutinised & harassed for not appearing feminine enough is not worth the exclusion of trans women.

Would they really, or would they do what most women have been doing for years and just get on with being themselves what ever that might be. No women has to be 'feminine' if they don't want to be, that's what gender critical means.

Women trying to identify out of being a woman are not solving their problems, they're just making a whole new set of problems for themselves. Ones they won't be able to solve because they are denying the reality of who they are, and have created these problems for themselves.

Boiledbeetle · 30/07/2026 07:18

Gretel346 · 30/07/2026 07:11

The context is Australia & pretending an individual is representative of the whole & therefore they must be treated as such is certainly a no no here.

Don't you dare think you can pull that right wing scape goating here & think you can get away with it.

Don't you dare think you can pull that right wing scape goating here & think you can get away with it.

Ignoring the right wing bollocks in this sentence, I have to ask what are you going to do? Send @Igneococcus to bed without her supper and ground her for a week?

Igneococcus · 30/07/2026 07:18

Gretel346 · 30/07/2026 07:17

What a woman is in the eye of the beholder. Its not the objective truth you think it is or belief that you can impose on others.

And this is the crux of the matter. Fascist cultures can't accept individuality & so they will perform all manner mental gymnastics to enforce their my way or the high way mentality.

It's not in the eye in the beholder, it is in the gametes your body makes, has made, will make or would have made (in the case of developmental issue) that is all that matters, everything else is just decoration.

Igneococcus · 30/07/2026 07:20

Boiledbeetle · 30/07/2026 07:18

Don't you dare think you can pull that right wing scape goating here & think you can get away with it.

Ignoring the right wing bollocks in this sentence, I have to ask what are you going to do? Send @Igneococcus to bed without her supper and ground her for a week?

Grounding would be great, I'm only here right now because I'm procrastinating before doing some work that bores me to tears but needs to be completed by this evening. Could my wifi also be turned off?

Boiledbeetle · 30/07/2026 07:21

Gretel346 · 30/07/2026 07:17

What a woman is in the eye of the beholder. Its not the objective truth you think it is or belief that you can impose on others.

And this is the crux of the matter. Fascist cultures can't accept individuality & so they will perform all manner mental gymnastics to enforce their my way or the high way mentality.

Thankfully here the Supreme Court has confirmed the objective truth that a woman doesn't include the male of the species.

WrongKindOfFeminist · 30/07/2026 07:22

Gretel346 · 29/07/2026 23:34

A period when your ancestors were still British and living in Britain.

The difference being its not something that was maintained in Australia. Australia's history was & is one of egalitarianism hence our rapacious desire to cut off the heads of tall poppies.

And yet, it is you who are the white settlers in a foreign land.

Um, I was born here & had no choice in the matter just like the prisoner population that Britain forcibly dumped here & enslavened.

Oops, you did a beheading ideation.

Cant help yourself, can you?

Boiledbeetle · 30/07/2026 07:23

Igneococcus · 30/07/2026 07:20

Grounding would be great, I'm only here right now because I'm procrastinating before doing some work that bores me to tears but needs to be completed by this evening. Could my wifi also be turned off?

That can be arranged. Would you also like to spend your week of grounding somewhere hot and sunny? I hear Australia is good!

Gretel346 · 30/07/2026 07:23

mrshoho · 30/07/2026 07:16

This isn't an issue in Australia purely because its not Australian's women's experience to be 'harmed' by trans women in public toilets….let alone even notice them there.

Have the Australian people ever been consulted? No it's been forced upon them. Is it any wonder women are reluctant to express their objections when they risk committing a crime just by stating the truth? Risking their jobs and reputation.

Have British women? I don't recall any referendums being held.

Like most concerns that come up it starts with broad grass roots activism & lobbying of which are zero in Australia with the exception of a fringe minority & their right wing media bull horn…& yet crickets. If only those media outlets & grifter 'activists' gave a shit about domestic violence……

WrongKindOfFeminist · 30/07/2026 07:24

Gretel346 · 30/07/2026 07:17

What a woman is in the eye of the beholder. Its not the objective truth you think it is or belief that you can impose on others.

And this is the crux of the matter. Fascist cultures can't accept individuality & so they will perform all manner mental gymnastics to enforce their my way or the high way mentality.

Mate. How are babies made?

Gretel346 · 30/07/2026 07:24

Igneococcus · 30/07/2026 07:18

It's not in the eye in the beholder, it is in the gametes your body makes, has made, will make or would have made (in the case of developmental issue) that is all that matters, everything else is just decoration.

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Thank you for your personal opinion of which you just like everyone else is entitled to.

WrongKindOfFeminist · 30/07/2026 07:25

Gretel346 · 30/07/2026 07:24

Thank you for your personal opinion of which you just like everyone else is entitled to.

😊

Personal opinions are one thing.

The world goes on being round.

Shedmistress · 30/07/2026 07:25

Gretel346 · 30/07/2026 07:17

What a woman is in the eye of the beholder. Its not the objective truth you think it is or belief that you can impose on others.

And this is the crux of the matter. Fascist cultures can't accept individuality & so they will perform all manner mental gymnastics to enforce their my way or the high way mentality.

No, it really is not in the eye of the beholder.

Igneococcus · 30/07/2026 07:26

Boiledbeetle · 30/07/2026 07:23

That can be arranged. Would you also like to spend your week of grounding somewhere hot and sunny? I hear Australia is good!

Could we do NZ? They have gone as mad as Australia wrt GI but at least the whanau-in-law could make me tea and snacks while I work.

WrongKindOfFeminist · 30/07/2026 07:27

Shedmistress · 30/07/2026 07:25

No, it really is not in the eye of the beholder.

What this idea does is reduce womanhood to the subject of the male gaze. How unsurprising.

Imdunfer · 30/07/2026 07:28

Gretel346 · 30/07/2026 07:17

What a woman is in the eye of the beholder. Its not the objective truth you think it is or belief that you can impose on others.

And this is the crux of the matter. Fascist cultures can't accept individuality & so they will perform all manner mental gymnastics to enforce their my way or the high way mentality.

If you're trans, I'll bet my bottom dollar not only that it's in your genes that you aren't one but that everyone around you knows you're a man but is either too polite or too scared to let you know that.

What mad world do you live in where you think being biologically female is not an objective and scientifically provable truth?

Dadalus · 30/07/2026 07:29

Gretel346 · 30/07/2026 07:24

Thank you for your personal opinion of which you just like everyone else is entitled to.

But your personal opinion is also that transwomen are not women isn't it? I'm sure a couple of pages ago you were agreeing they should be excluded from some female spaces in Aus.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 30/07/2026 07:29

Hang on a minute now if What a woman is in the eye of the beholder does that mean if my eye beholds that someone is not a woman does that mean he isn't, because I'm good with that. That fits right in with 4.3 billion years of evolution.

Gretel346 · 30/07/2026 07:31

Igneococcus · 30/07/2026 07:17

And now they can't even call a transwoman a man without running the risk of being fined.

Yes we don't do harassment here nor do we get tell people who they are.

You people are so far gone with your entitled classist impositions you don't even know how cringeworthy elitist you are.