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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
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Sunnibee · 29/07/2026 14:34

Neversofaraway · 29/07/2026 14:24

So you can't name any credible experts.
Now answer my question, what are the signs and symptoms of gender dysphoria?

This page gives a really helpful summary for you https://theprivatetherapyclinic.co.uk/blog/how-to-be-certain-you-have-gender-dysphoria/

A persistent unease with your sexed body
A specific, ongoing discomfort with the primary or secondary sex characteristics of your body. Breasts, voice, body hair, genitals, body shape, height. This often intensifies during or after puberty, when those features develop more fully. The distress is not vague body dissatisfaction. It is specifically about the features that mark you as the gender you were assigned at birth.
A felt sense that the gender role does not fit
An ongoing experience that the social role you are living in as a man or a woman does not match who you actually are. This can show up as a quiet, persistent wrongness in everyday situations. Being addressed by your name or pronouns, getting dressed, being seen by others. It is the gendered nature of these moments that creates the friction, not the moments themselves.
Gender euphoria when treated as another gender
A relief or quiet joy when you are perceived, addressed, or treated as the gender you experience yourself to be. People often describe this as the clearest signal. The contrast between the everyday low-level distress and the sudden relief of being seen correctly can be one of the most diagnostic experiences. Some people only realise the dysphoria was there once they feel it lift.
Preoccupying thoughts about a different gender
Recurring, sustained thoughts about what it would be like to live as a different gender. Not as fleeting curiosity, but as an ongoing pull. People often describe years of intrusive imagining before they let themselves say it out loud.
Questions worth asking yourself
When people in my clinic are trying to work out whether what they are feeling is gender dysphoria or something else, these are the questions I ask them. They are worth sitting with on your own as well.

  • When did the feelings start? Did they begin before puberty, during it, or later? What else was happening in your life at the time?
  • Do the feelings stay roughly constant, or do they fluctuate with depression, anxiety, or what is going on around you?
  • Is your distress about specific gendered features of your body, or about your appearance more generally?
  • Is it about how others perceive you, how you feel internally, or both?
  • Have you ever felt a clear relief or rightness when treated as a different gender, even briefly?
  • If you imagine your body without the features that distress you, does that imagining bring relief, or does a different distress move into its place?
When the threshold is met for a diagnosis Two things matter clinically. How long the feelings have been present, and how much they are affecting daily life. The diagnostic criteria require the feelings to have been there for at least six months in adults, though in clinical reality people usually describe them as having been around for years. Brief periods of questioning, or a phase of curiosity, are not what gender dysphoria refers to. It is a persistent experience, not a passing one. The other criterion is impairment. The distress must be enough to interfere with social life, work, relationships, or other important areas of daily functioning. Without that impairment, the diagnostic threshold is not met.

Gender dysphoria vs gender nonconformity
This is a distinction people often get tangled in. Gender nonconformity is a way of presenting or behaving that does not match the conventional expectations attached to someone’s gender. A man wearing a dress, a woman with a shaved head, a child who refuses to play with the toys associated with their assigned sex. These are choices about how to live in the world.
Gender dysphoria is something different. It is not about whether someone wants to wear dresses or trousers. It is about whether they experience themselves as fundamentally a different gender from the one they were assigned at birth, and whether that experience is causing sustained distress. You can be gender nonconforming without dysphoria, and you can have dysphoria while presenting in conventionally gendered ways.

What gender dysphoria actually feels like
People in my clinic rarely describe gender dysphoria in clinical language. They describe it in physical terms. A cold wave that washes over them when they catch their reflection. A sense of looking in the mirror and seeing the wrong face. The feeling of performing in a play that never ends, where the role does not match who they are. One person described it to me as a kind of chronic pain that gnaws at them without any clear physical cause.
That embodied quality is one of the things that distinguishes it. Gender dysphoria is not just a thought about gender. It is a felt sense of incongruence between the gender someone experiences themselves to be and the body or social role they are living in.

How to Know If You Have Gender Dysphoria | Private Therapy Clinic

Wondering if you have gender dysphoria? A clinical guide to the signs, what to look for, and what else might be going on alongside.

https://theprivatetherapyclinic.co.uk/blog/how-to-be-certain-you-have-gender-dysphoria/

Seethlaw · 29/07/2026 14:33

Sunnibee · 29/07/2026 14:27

Right . Nothing to do with everyone else's feelings @FlirtsWithRhinos

In my case, yes, because I don't go "I feel like a man". But anyone who goes down that road does depend on other people's feelings, by definition.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 29/07/2026 14:31

Sunnibee · 29/07/2026 14:27

Right . Nothing to do with everyone else's feelings @FlirtsWithRhinos

Oh I agree. I realised you misinterpested what I said - please read my most recent post to see how.

Of course, you realise that if it's not about anyone else's feelings, then a trans person's feelings do not in reality make then any more like the opposite sex than anyone else is? And that means there's no justification for having medical "gender affirming" treatments, or being given access to opposite sex spaces or rights, or using opposite sex language?

Because if being trans is really nothing to do with the opposite sex at all, how can you justify in any way treating trans people like they are?

OldCrone · 29/07/2026 14:30

Sunnibee · 29/07/2026 14:27

Right . Nothing to do with everyone else's feelings @FlirtsWithRhinos

So you have no idea how trans kids know they are trans. Why are you here, arguing so passionately about this, when it seems you know nothing about it?

OldCrone · 29/07/2026 14:28

Sunnibee · 29/07/2026 14:17

I'm not going to name specific people, but the team should have included individuals with specialist subject knowledge expertise, as with any credible and well conducted review.

Edited

Why don't you want to name specific people who you think would have been an appropriate choice? You're happy to say that none of Dr Cass's team were an appropriate choice, but you can't name a single person who you think would have been more appropriate. Why is that?

Sunnibee · 29/07/2026 14:27

Seethlaw · 29/07/2026 14:20

LOL no. It's exclusively about how I see my body.

I've now answered two of your questions. Will you answer mine?

How do all those trans kids know they are trans?

Right . Nothing to do with everyone else's feelings @FlirtsWithRhinos

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 29/07/2026 14:25

Sunnibee · 29/07/2026 13:56

Methodological neutrality is important, but subject-matter expertise isn't a source of bias to be eliminated. It's essential for framing the right questions, interpreting heterogeneous evidence, understanding the clinical context and recognising the limitations of the literature. You need both methods expertise and subject matter knowledge and understanding to conduct a high quality evidence review. The latter was lacking in the Cass team.

Edited

There were no unbiassed experts in this field and no agreement within the field about what the "right questions" were. That was what Cass set out to do: to look at what questions had been asked and what answers there were. And to ensure that the questions that are fundamental to paediatric medicine were being asked and answered in this field too, and to remedy the exceptionalism and scorn for objectivity that had previously ruled much of the field.

I can understand why people who rely on subjectivity and exceptionalism to promote a medical field wouldn't like that. But that really is how quality care is maintained.

Neversofaraway · 29/07/2026 14:24

Sunnibee · 29/07/2026 14:17

I'm not going to name specific people, but the team should have included individuals with specialist subject knowledge expertise, as with any credible and well conducted review.

Edited

So you can't name any credible experts.
Now answer my question, what are the signs and symptoms of gender dysphoria?

OldCrone · 29/07/2026 14:23

Sunnibee · 29/07/2026 14:17

I'm not going to name specific people, but the team should have included individuals with specialist subject knowledge expertise, as with any credible and well conducted review.

Edited

What sort of specialist subject knowledge? Paediatric psychiatry? Paediatric endocrinology? Or something else?

FlirtsWithRhinos · 29/07/2026 14:22

Sunnibee · 29/07/2026 12:18

It is absolutely fundamental to a trans identity

It's really not. What everyone else feels is completely irrelevant to whether or not someone is trans.

Actually, re-reading this I realise you misrepresented or misinterpreted what I said.

Ironically, I actually agree with the statement as you make it.

What everyone else feels is completely irrelevant to whether or not someone is trans. This is very much true because of course the trans person has no idea what everyone else truly feels.

Because trans identities are based, as I said in my initial comment, on what the trans person believes everyone else feels, not what they may actually feel.

And therefore, because the trrans person has no idea what everyone else truly feels, only what the trans person believes they feel, despite TRActivist's feverish demands there is simply no basis on which it is justified or appropriate to adjust the trans person's body to be "more like" that of the opposite sex, nor to allow them cross-sex privileges or privileged access to the opposite sex, simply because of what the trans person happens to believe about the opposite sex.

Because in reality, as you yourself agree, whatever it is they believe other people are feeling has nothing whatsoever to do with what those other people actually feel, and therefore it does not in any way justify treating the trans person as if they actually are closer to the opposite sex, in mind, feeling or body, than anyone else is.

So, like I said in the post you took exception to, trans people are not necessarily confused, but they are simply wrong in their beliefs about other people.

Seethlaw · 29/07/2026 14:20

Sunnibee · 29/07/2026 14:16

I know how I know I'm trans

Is it about everyone else's feelings?

LOL no. It's exclusively about how I see my body.

I've now answered two of your questions. Will you answer mine?

How do all those trans kids know they are trans?

Sunnibee · 29/07/2026 14:17

OldCrone · 29/07/2026 14:10

Can you name some people who you think should have been asked to do the review instead of Dr Cass and her team?

I'm not going to name specific people, but the team should have included individuals with specialist subject knowledge expertise, as with any credible and well conducted review.

Sunnibee · 29/07/2026 14:16

Seethlaw · 29/07/2026 14:07

I know how I know I'm trans. I also know that I wouldn't give my kid self puberty blockers for that reason, because it wouldn't be the right treatment.

So I ask again: how do all those other trans kids know they are trans?

I know how I know I'm trans

Is it about everyone else's feelings?

OldCrone · 29/07/2026 14:10

Sunnibee · 29/07/2026 13:56

Methodological neutrality is important, but subject-matter expertise isn't a source of bias to be eliminated. It's essential for framing the right questions, interpreting heterogeneous evidence, understanding the clinical context and recognising the limitations of the literature. You need both methods expertise and subject matter knowledge and understanding to conduct a high quality evidence review. The latter was lacking in the Cass team.

Edited

Can you name some people who you think should have been asked to do the review instead of Dr Cass and her team?

Seethlaw · 29/07/2026 14:07

Sunnibee · 29/07/2026 13:58

I thought you are trans yourself @Seethlaw ?
How do you know you are trans?

I know how I know I'm trans. I also know that I wouldn't give my kid self puberty blockers for that reason, because it wouldn't be the right treatment.

So I ask again: how do all those other trans kids know they are trans?

OldCrone · 29/07/2026 14:01

Sunnibee · 29/07/2026 13:58

I thought you are trans yourself @Seethlaw ?
How do you know you are trans?

Can you answer the question you were asked?

How do trans kids know they are trans?

Sunnibee · 29/07/2026 13:58

Seethlaw · 29/07/2026 13:25

@Sunnibee @MashaPav

How do trans kids know they are trans?

I thought you are trans yourself @Seethlaw ?
How do you know you are trans?

Sunnibee · 29/07/2026 13:56

settlesurround · 29/07/2026 12:48

Exactly and the people at York Uni who conducted the Cass Review are specialists in their field of systematic reviewing. Medics conducting reviews in their own field often produce methodologically crap reviews.

The best reviews are done by a team of people with different specialisms - and it definitely helps to have a neutrality about the condition you are investigating - although having input from medics who know that condition well is also useful.

Edited

Methodological neutrality is important, but subject-matter expertise isn't a source of bias to be eliminated. It's essential for framing the right questions, interpreting heterogeneous evidence, understanding the clinical context and recognising the limitations of the literature. You need both methods expertise and subject matter knowledge and understanding to conduct a high quality evidence review. The latter was lacking in the Cass team.

Seethlaw · 29/07/2026 13:25

@Sunnibee @MashaPav

How do trans kids know they are trans?

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 29/07/2026 13:12

Sunnibee · 29/07/2026 12:21

There's a difference between expertise in a broad discipline and expertise in the specific subject under review. You wouldn't normally regard any paediatrician as equally qualified to lead an evidence review on paediatric oncology, neonatal intensive care, autism, or paediatric endocrinology simply because they're all part of paediatrics.

Those are all large and well established fields. But pediatric gender medicine is a very small, new and contentious field; and none of the experienced practitioners in the area were qualified to run a review of evidence. Part of the reason for holding the review was the cavalier / negligent attitude to evidence and to evidence gathering that they'd shown so far, as revealed by the judicial review into practice at the Tavistock GIDS clinic.

So getitng someone to run the review who understands how to review the evidence, understands how paediatric medicine is generally supposed to work, and has no skin in the game, was exactly the right thing to do.

SodThisHeadache · 29/07/2026 12:56

Sunnibee · Today 12:18
"It is absolutely fundamental to a trans identity"

It's really not. What everyone else feels is completely irrelevant to whether or not someone is trans.

I feel that trans people who believe what you believe (Transwomen Are Women; Transmen Are Men), are lying or delusional.

I will not ever agree to lie to someone with a delusion, nor will I ever agree that delusion should mean they be treated as if their delusion were real:

  • in enabling them to take part in sports set aside for the opposite sex
  • in enabling them to obtain jobs that are set aside for people who really are that sex,
  • in enabling them to carry out intimate care on someone of the opposite sex,
  • in enabling them to use toilets and changing rooms for the opposite sex,
  • in enabling them to be housed in prisons , mental health wards or domestic violence hostels for the opposite sex.

You need me to agree with your delusion/lie in order to satisfy you. I expect me saying all this will upset you because you know you need people to agree in order to do whatever you want.

Because what you want is not to be left alone to believe your beliefs (you can think you're trans if you want!) - you want something to arise out of those beliefs and we won't give it to you.

settlesurround · 29/07/2026 12:48

BackToLurk · 29/07/2026 12:41

OK, I'll try another question, as the subject of independence seems to befuddle you. Have you heard the phrase "marking your own homework", and do you understand what it means?

Exactly and the people at York Uni who conducted the Cass Review are specialists in their field of systematic reviewing. Medics conducting reviews in their own field often produce methodologically crap reviews.

The best reviews are done by a team of people with different specialisms - and it definitely helps to have a neutrality about the condition you are investigating - although having input from medics who know that condition well is also useful.

BackToLurk · 29/07/2026 12:41

Sunnibee · 29/07/2026 12:21

There's a difference between expertise in a broad discipline and expertise in the specific subject under review. You wouldn't normally regard any paediatrician as equally qualified to lead an evidence review on paediatric oncology, neonatal intensive care, autism, or paediatric endocrinology simply because they're all part of paediatrics.

OK, I'll try another question, as the subject of independence seems to befuddle you. Have you heard the phrase "marking your own homework", and do you understand what it means?

SodThisHeadache · 29/07/2026 12:40

Keep up the good work everyone

FlirtsWithRhinos · 29/07/2026 12:36

Sunnibee · 29/07/2026 12:18

It is absolutely fundamental to a trans identity

It's really not. What everyone else feels is completely irrelevant to whether or not someone is trans.

Ignoring what I said and doubling down doesn't doesn't change your wrong statement to a right one you know 😂

But please, prove me wrong.

Explain to me what the "man" in transman or "woman" in transwoman means and why this means we should believe transmen are men and transwomen are women, and why it means that the correct spaces for transmen are where the people you woukd call "cismen" are and the correct spaces for transwomen are where the people you would call "ciswomen" are, in a way that does not make any assumptions at all about how these "cis" people, or even other trans people, feel?

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