BBC Radio 4 discussion on sex, gender and women’s rights

With all his waffle, and 'clash of rights' language, Tryl managed, perhaps unintentionally, to put across the message that the trans rights issue, unlike the gay rights issue, is a zero-sum game. Transphobe!

I think this show was a good example of how reasonable discussions about this topic can be had when you don't have a presenter trying to shut them down in horror or constantly interjecting about "being kind" or "both sides".

Also thank you for flagging this OP, I shall listen with interest.

I well remember an article on newsnight with two men discussing the use of the term ‘womxn’. One of the men happened to be wearing a dress which meant theBBC simply could not understand what I was on about when I complained

it’s so good to see how far we’ve come

I am all for both men role playing as women and women role playing as men to be given airtime to discuss their desire to do away with single sex provision and force others to buy into their role play provided there are sensible well informed voices there to counter them

frankly, when allowed to speak in a neutral environment ‘trans’ people generally undermine their own arguments better than anyone else could

for that reason and due to some ‘trans’ people having a modicum of self knowledge it has often been difficult to get ‘trans’ people for these kinds of discussions, leading to some stifling of debate

What a joke!
Trans is shoehorned into everything and has been completely prioritised everywhere including the BBC.
This was part of the problem noted with lack of balance.
Even dramas about menopausal women had to have a bloke in a frock singing about hot sweats and blood in knickers which clearly does not apply to him.

I am not her biggest fan but she is making clear and coherent arguments here

Hope this works. I copied the link from the sounds app.

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002zhn6?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

I tbought it was a good programme, well-balanced and respectful.

Can you share the link please, I'm in Ireland and it won't play on BBC sounds,everything else on the schedule for yesterday will play though -surprise surprise!

I’m listening to it right now.

Has this episode been taken down from playback? I can't access it.

The text is:

Four outlets examined in the research published 17,000 articles between January 2020 and April 2025, an average of 9 articles per day and ‘gender critical’ framing became common over this period of time while the voices of trans people have been almost completely absent.

Magical thinking doesn't require proof or even a substantive theory. It just requires belief, or in the case of transgender ideology, fealty to the cause.
A few platitudes come in handy, but that's about it.
Tryl and the gay progressive Maffia are happy for TWAW to be an article of faith, and in the Left's articles of faith, the arrow of progress points in one direction only.
I genuinely don't see Tryl "believing" men can "become" women, more that the article of faith requires interest groups to shift around to allow the current cause to have space to flourish.
Women are expected to realise the whole world is a better place when their comfortably established rights and benefits springing from these can shift over, and budge up, to let the "greater good" prevail.
What you might call the <manspreading theory of social progress>.

I haven't yet listened, but I am guessing Luke was wittering on about Being Kind and that there would be a way to respect everyone's rights.... but without actually giving a testable example of how?

That's all it ever is. Handwringing and platitudes. If someone could - just once - come up with an actual statement of how women and trans identified people could co-exist in actuality, I'm sure we'll all be ready to debate it. But it's only ever airy-fairy fluff. Which is hiding the real truth of "women must submit" that they are too weak to say out loud. Not gonna happen, pal.

According to the folk at Amnesty/their own commissioned expert researchers (who are clearly on the truth and justice side of things I'm sure you'll agree), in their Snowball report, it was a headline finding that "coverage of trans people is disproportionate to the the size of the trans population".

This was based on analysis of 17,000+ news reports.

I read that today on the MBM timeline, but the Snowball report is still up, so you can re-validate it on there if you want.

Where have you been for the last 10 years?

Well I hope it brings to an end pandering to the TRA tactic of refusing to debate with anyone GC. It was beyond ridiculous that the BBC willingly allowed themselves to be manipulated in this way, the end result being GC voices were not platformed. If they don't want to debate, fine, they were offered an opportunity and refused. End of story.
Of course the real reason is they have no coherent arguments, only emotional blackmail and will be shown up for what they are.

Examples?

Oh, but female voices were not what you meant, were they?

No, there’s been an over representation of them. That’s the point.

And the recent report about their bias.

I would actually like to hear more from trans-identified females in the media. They get very little press time, because the men cause all the trouble and have real cognitive dissonance when it comes to letting anyone else speak.

Lol. There's no shortage of trans extremist voices, drag queens and an assortment of men claiming to be women both on the air and working at the BBC.

Hopefully they'll be covering this very revealing story:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5559583-so-this-looks-like-scot-gov-has-gone-tits-up-again

Hope that means more trans voices, too.

The balance brief due to being publicly funded means that the bbc HAVE to give a certain amount of air time to people representing views commonly held by the majority in different parties as well as a broad range of views on “divisive” subjects.

It will be interesting to see if Matt Britain at the helm will mean that a broader range of views are aired on many things. FWS will have had an impact too.