So this looks like Scot Gov has gone tits up again

On some previous threads, some posters have brought up what about women with PCOS and testosterone. Here is a study and some commentary on that issue, although to be fair, we rarely see that argument supporting these male people these days. Maybe the message got through...

https://academic.oup.com/humrep/article/16/2/244/649618?login=false

I found a study that looked at the hormone levels in women breastfeeding. A breastfeeding women without PCOS has the following testosterone levels at 4 weeks and 8 weeks of breastfeeding :

Ng/ml
4th wk 0.13
8th wk 0.11

A woman with PCOS (ng/ml)
4th week 0.21
8th week 0.26

The male who fed exclusively for 6 weeks started with 0.205 ng/ml or that could have been 2.56 ng/mol because the data is contradictory. That was with the suppression drug that was not noted to change in dose throughout this period because it was not tested.

HOWEVER that suppression is known to be unreliable so the level of testosterone may have fluctuated during the feeding time. Plus of course, there may have been an interaction with the other drugs.

Here is a doctor's view on this study and male feeding.

https://lascapigliata.com/2018/03/26/analysis-of-study-of-induced-lactation-in-trans-identified-man/

"On presentation, the patient was on a gender-affirming regimen that included spironolactone (a heart medication used in this case as an androgen blocker), estradiol, micronised progesterone and “occasional” clonazepam and zolpidem for panic disorder and insomnia."

"At initial appointment, the patient had gynaecomastia (abnormally enlarged breasts in a man, Tanner stage V) that was likely a side effect of spironolactone and cross-sex hormones he was taking."

"Interestingly, it’s unclear what was the patient’s serum testosterone level, because two markedly different results were given, one in the body of text – 256 ng/dL – and another in the results table 1. – 20.52 ng/dL."

"This is problematic not only because it constitutes a glaring inconsistency within the report, but also because the higher result indicates that the patient had male testosterone levels. Considering that the study reported no further testosterone data, indicating that they didn’t measure his testosterone level at any other point in the study, and that 75% of trans-identified men on spironolactone fail to reach testosterone level in the female range, and those who augment the treatment with estradiol have variable response, there is no reliable evidence that adequate androgen blockade was achieved, even though authors claimed that androgen blockade was an important part of the regimen."

And it goes on.....

Well worth a read

Absolutely sickening, literally.

Queer milk

Jesus wept and wept and wept some more at the very fuckery of messing around with the purest, most beautiful and natural way of feeding and bonding with newborn babies in the name of a selfish, nonsensical, fetishistic ideology.

Adding posts for those who have not read about this issue previously

This is the case of a grandfather.

Novel Lactation Induction Protocol for a Transgender Woman Wishing to Breastfeed: A Case Report

Esme D. Trahair, Sarah Kokosa, Andy Weinhold, Heather Parnell, Andrea B. Dotson, and Carly E. Kelley
27 March 2024

https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/full/10.1089/bfm.2024.0012

Background: Lactation induction in transgender women is a clinical and research priority in the field of breastfeeding medicine. To date, there are four case reports detailing successful induced lactation in transgender patients who wished to breastfeed. The Academy of Breast Feeding Medicine does not formally recommend a specific medication regimen for transgender patients due to lack of high-quality research.

Case Presentation: A 50-year-old transgender woman with a hypercoagulable disorder who was able to lactate and breastfeed with novel hormone regimen management at a gender care clinic. Her baseline hormone treatment was an estradiol 0.3 mg transdermal patch every 72 hours and micronized progesterone 200 mg daily.

Results: Within four weeks of initiating a modified hormone regimen (estradiol 0.4 mg patch every 72 hours, progesterone 300 mg daily, metoclopramide 10 mg three times daily), the patient was lactating spontaneously. On multiple occasions, she breastfed and expressed up to 30 mL of milk through pumping.

Conclusion: This report offers a new effective hormone regimen for transgender patients who wish to lactate and cannot access domperidone—the galactagogue used in previous case reports. It also provides a review of previously published case reports on this subject. Future research in this field should prioritize cohort studies of transgender patients who desire lactation to further assess patient attitudes, experiences, and outcomes.

Some more background on this:

https://x.com/millihill/status/1773343604678758886?s=20

The patient first expressed the unique desire to breastfeed her expected grandchild at an appointment with her endocrinologist in the spring of 2022. She disclosed that this was a last-minute idea that came to her very close to her daughter's due date. Her primary motivation for inducing lactation was to experience the bond from breastfeeding that she had not been able to experience with her own five children.

**

Remember, by 7 days old an infant requires 65 ml per day and for what reason would a medical professional in a country with ample supplies of donor breast milk and milk substitutes induce a new born's grandparent to lactate to assist their daughter? That desire is a red flag right there!

https://www.babycentre.co.uk/x553873/how-much-milk-does-my-baby-need-in-the-first-few-days

I'm hoping a wonderful shero with millions of global followers will bring sunlight this disturbing use of NHS Scotland funds.

@NeelyOHaraI'm in Scotland. I was unaware of this.
It's ALL about NHS jobs (& fat pensions) feeding off mental health delusions. I'm the parent of an ASD young person who thinks they are 'trans'. Despite them having a diagnosis of situational mutism & clear difficulties (50% school timetable for years) my local NHS would be happy to refer them to a 'gender clinic' for a pathway to potential lifelong medical damage & mutilation.
My other young person, a survivor of covid-caused heart failure, can't have some treatment needed due to 'lack of funds'. NHS Scotland madness right here.

A million times this. Jail the lot of them. Won't happen but. 😭

I'd like to hear John Swinney's answers to questions about this. In public. On record. Being filmed, so we can see his face as he answers.

@HelleofaboreThank you for that info - it's fascinating ! It's genuinely disgusting that infants are being experimented upon to provide thrills for men who are trying to become women. Criminal.

💯 agree, another quango, a complete rip off of public money, not mentioned thoroughly sickening use of money badly needed to provide services that the public need.

This in the Scotland section of the Times, lets hope other Scottish newspapers and media are going to pick up the story.

I've not seen anything about it apart from on here.
I'm in NE Scotland

This is revolting, the Scottish government really, really seem to hate women don’t they. Is anyone in Scotland, is this being reported on up there?

from the article:

LGBT Health and Wellbeing reported income of £1.15 million in 2024-25, though less than £38,000 came from individual donations. The Scottish government provided the charity with £262,000 and NHS Lothian handed over £252,000.
The charity received a further £230,000 from the Glasgow Health and Social and Social Care Partnership and Edinburgh Integration Joint Board. The vast majority of the cash, almost £900,000, was spent on salaries and pension contributions for its 27 staff. [my bold]

It's a money-making enterprise for sick people using newborns as props.

They should be shut down.

It's disgusting, they're using babies as sex toys and props in their obnoxious performance. It's the level of depravity that our culture has sank to that this is not just allowed but promoted as a natural thing. The NHS providing this and the SG allowing is vomit inducing. 🤮

How the fuck did we arrive at this point.
Men cannot breast feed a child naturally.
Pandering to a fetish and the baby is an accesorie .

Same it makes me feel physically sick.

The queer milk (🤢) group is funded my the nhs too . Perhaps that money would be better spent to provide breastfeeding support for actual women.

That makes me vomit. Hate the Scottish Government. Worse death rate amongst people with addictions in Europe ( yes I have family who have died of overdoses sadly) and they are spending part of the Health budget on garbage like this. Will probably get banned ,but this is just encouraging the abuse of babies and toddlers.

I can only imagine what Katie Hinde must be thinking when fuckwits start excitedly babbling about trans 'chestfeeding'.

Truly beautiful. The perfection of nature. I remember being amazed as a first time mum how the body could respond to the demands of the baby and was capable of increasing supply and adjusting the composition of the milk at different stages.How anyone can suggest that biological males can mimic or replicate this is just hideous.

Of course in many instances breast feeding isn't an option for various reasons and that formula milk is perfectly suitable for the infant's requirements. One of mine was breast fed and the other formula and they both thrived. Why can't these men accept this?

I can also understand a Mother with supply issues who may try supplements or medications but this is completely different to a male requiring a constant artificial set of hormones to produce a few drops of experimental liquid.

Thats not quite accurate, men can get breast cancer.
They however do not have breast tissue that is the same as womens. Men only have short blind milk ducts and no lobules amongst other differences.
Men who have gynecomastia (even when intentionally induced by taking cross sex hormones) do not have breasts and cannot breastfeed. The chemically induced and laced secretions are not breast or human milk.
Oh and no its not good for the baby and some of the drugs cause heart problems in babies

Wtf Scottish government. I feel sick. This is child abuse. State sanctioned child abuse.

To think of all the things I did to make sure my milk was safe, when I had a cold I didn't even take cold/flu pills! This is just...awful. Who can I write to about this? What a thing to read about nearing bedtime. Ugh.

A reminder of how the female breast is part of a complete feeding system and no male breast has this ability.

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/19f8K414tC/?mibextid=wwXIfr

In 2008, Katie Hinde stood in a California primate lab staring at hundreds of milk samples. Male babies got richer milk. Females got more volume. Science had missed half the conversation.

She was a postdoctoral researcher at the California National Primate Research Center, analyzing milk from rhesus macaque mothers. For months, she'd been measuring fat content, protein levels, mineral concentrations. The data showed something she hadn't expected: monkey mothers were producing completely different milk depending on whether they'd given birth to sons or daughters.

Sons received milk with higher concentrations of fat and protein—more energy per ounce. Daughters received more milk overall, with higher calcium levels. The biological recipe wasn't universal. It was customized.

Hinde ran the numbers again. The pattern held across dozens of mother-infant pairs. This wasn't random variation. This was systematic.

She thought about what she'd been taught in graduate school. Milk was nutrition. Calories, proteins, fats. A delivery system for energy. But if milk was just fuel, why would it differ based on the baby's sex? Why would mothers unconsciously adjust the formula?

The answer shifted everything: milk wasn't passive. It was a message.
Hinde had arrived at this question through an unusual path. She'd earned her bachelor's degree in anthropology from the University of Washington, then completed her PhD at UCLA in 2008. While most lactation research focused on dairy cattle or developing infant formulas, Hinde wanted to understand what milk actually did in primate mothers and babies.

At UC Davis, she had access to the largest primate research center in the United States. She could collect milk samples at different stages of lactation, track infant development, measure maternal characteristics. She could ask questions that had never been systematically studied.
Like: why do young mothers produce milk with more stress hormones?

Hinde discovered that first-time monkey mothers produced milk with fewer calories but higher concentrations of cortisol than experienced mothers. Babies who consumed this high-cortisol milk grew faster but were more nervous and less confident. The milk wasn't just feeding the baby's body—it was programming the baby's temperament.

Or: how does milk respond when babies get sick?

Working with researchers who studied infant illness, Hinde found that when babies developed infections, their mothers' milk changed within hours. The white blood cell count in the milk increased dramatically—from around 2,000 cells per milliliter to over 5,000 during acute illness. Macrophage counts quadrupled. The levels returned to normal once the baby recovered.

The mechanism was remarkable: when a baby nurses, small amounts of the baby's saliva travel back through the nipple into the mother's breast tissue. That saliva contains information about the baby's immune status. If the baby is fighting an infection, the mother's body detects the antigens and begins producing specific antibodies, which then flow back to the baby through the milk.

It was a dialogue. The baby's body communicated its needs. The mother's body responded.
Hinde started documenting everything. She collected milk from over 250 rhesus macaque mothers across more than 700 sampling events. She measured cortisol, adiponectin, epidermal growth factor, transforming growth factors. She tracked which babies gained weight faster, which were more exploratory, which were more cautious.

She realized she was mapping a language that had been invisible.
In 2011, Hinde joined Harvard as an assistant professor. She began writing about her findings, but she also noticed something troubling: almost nobody was studying human breast milk with the same rigor applied to other biological systems. When she searched publication databases, she found twice as many studies on erectile dysfunction as on breast milk composition.

The world's first food—the substance that had nourished every human who ever lived—was scientifically neglected.
She started a blog: "Mammals Suck...Milk!" The title was deliberately provocative. Within a year, it had over a million views. Parents, clinicians, researchers started asking questions. What bioactive compounds are in human milk? How does milk from mothers of premature babies differ from milk produced for full-term infants? Can we use this knowledge to improve formulas or help babies in NICUs?
Hinde's research expanded. She studied how milk changes across the day (fat concentration peaks mid-morning). She investigated how foremilk differs from hindmilk (babies with bigger appetites who nurse longer get higher-fat milk at the end of feeding). She examined how maternal characteristics—age, parity, health status, social rank—shaped milk composition.

In 2013, she created March Mammal Madness, a science outreach event that became an annual tradition in hundreds of classrooms. In 2014, she co-authored "Building Babies." In 2016, she received the Ehrlich-Koldovsky Early Career Award from the International Society for Research in Human Milk and Lactation for making outstanding contributions to the field.

By 2017, when she delivered her TED talk, she could articulate what she'd discovered across a decade of research: breast milk is food, medicine, and signal. It builds the baby's body and fuels the baby's behavior. It carries bacteria that colonize the infant gut, hormones that influence metabolism, oligosaccharides that feed beneficial microbes, immune factors that protect against pathogens.
More than 200 varieties of oligosaccharides alone. The baby can't even digest them—they exist to nourish the right community of gut bacteria, preventing harmful pathogens from establishing.
The composition is as unique as a fingerprint. No two mothers produce identical milk. No two babies receive identical nutrition.

In 2020, Hinde appeared in the Netflix docuseries "Babies," explaining her findings to a mass audience. She'd moved to Arizona State University, where she now directs the Comparative Lactation Lab. Her research continues to reveal new dimensions of how milk shapes infant outcomes from the first hours of life through childhood.

She works on precision medicine applications—using knowledge of milk bioactives to help the most fragile infants in neonatal intensive care units. She consults on formula development, helping companies create products that better replicate the functional properties of human milk for mothers who face obstacles to breastfeeding.

The implications extend beyond individual families. Understanding milk informs public health policy, workplace lactation support, clinical recommendations. It reveals how maternal characteristics,
environmental conditions, and infant needs interact in real time through a biological messaging system that's been evolving for 200 million years—longer than dinosaurs.

Katie Hinde didn't just study milk. She revealed that the most ancient form of nourishment was also the most sophisticated. What science had treated as simple nutrition was actually a dynamic, responsive communication between two bodies—a conversation that shapes human development one feeding at a time.

Here is another artlicle about her work
https://nihrecord.nih.gov/2016/04/22/breast-milk-liquid-gold-infants-hinde-says
a study
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35352583/
And where her work has led to so far
https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2024/09/11/breast-milks-benefits-are-not-limited-to-babies

Feeding the fetish, they mean. Well, fuckadoodle-do, I feel quite sick. And actually near to tears that they would do this to tiny babies 😢

For those who are interested in the science, here is some more to read.
A transitioned male expert was the one who was putting up alerts about this, not the two people who carried out the treatment.

www.newscientist.com/article/2161151-transgender-woman-is-first-to-be-able-to-breastfeed-her-baby/#ixzz6f2Pil0Ik

However, the woman’s breastmilk has not been assessed yet, so we don’t know if it has the same mix of components as in milk from new gestational mothers. This means the practice cannot yet be recommended, says Madeline Deutsch at the University of California, San Francisco. She says she can see the potential benefits of breastfeeding, but that the long-term impact of this milk on the baby – including on subtle measures like IQ – is unknown.

Deutsch herself is a transgender woman with a six-month-old baby who is currently being breastfed by Deutsch’s wife, who was the gestational mother. “I am very sad not to be able to breastfeed her and at the same time I did not consider doing this for the above reasons,” she says.

This was February 2018. I have not seen anything to prove that any in-depth studies have been released since to counter this expert's opinion. And there has been plenty of other threads since this that where these studies would have been posted by activist posters.

So, there we have it. A transitioned male, Associate Professor, Family Community Medicine, is telling the world that this is not advisable until further research.

And this is key too:
After three months of treatment, this increased to 227 grams of breast milk per day. Once the baby was born, she was able to exclusively breastfeed the infant for six weeks – during which time a paediatrician confirmed the baby was growing and developing normally and healthily.

Although significant, this is below the average of around 500 grams that a baby consumes by the time the it is 5 days old. After six weeks, the woman supplemented her breastfeeding with formula.

So.... for how many weeks did this infant receive half the nutrition it needed? This male only supplemented the feeding regime at SIX WEEKS!!!
And this was supposed to be monitored surely. It was an experiment. Why was this allowed!

From the New Scientist article.

Don't forget Women who discuss it online in Australia can be told they have broken the law. Because a male centred experience (there is no proven robust study done on these secretions to show they are safe in the long term) must only be celebrated apparently.

Two Australian Women Told They Broke The Law After Criticizing Trans-Identified Male Breastfeeding Child - Reduxx

I believe this case will be heard soon, happy to be corrected if it has already been heard.

This is from the original article

https://archive.is/ekhDf

This is a medically trained male paramedic who did this by the way.
There have been numerous threads about this in the past and never once have we been offered any benefit for the infant in all this. Not once.

Quite a few issues in that original article about Buckley.

Here are a few statements:
''To know I could breastfeed my own child and have that experience, I wanted to be a part of that. I wanted to know what it was like to be a mum and breastfeed."

and

'I will never know what's it like to menstruate or carry a baby or give birth,' Ms Buckley said.

'But to be told I could have the opportunity to breastfeed, it was something that was nice to be able to experience as a trans woman.'

and

'The first time it came out I just started leaking,' Ms Buckley said. 'Then I pumped and it was a weird feeling having a suction cap suck out milk, but it was exciting.

'I thought, "Oh my God, I am actually producing human milk".'

and

'Apart from the milk he was getting from me he was essentially starving,' Ms Buckley said of the couple's hungry son 'I genuinely believe had I not brought my breast milk into the hospital he could have become very sick with liver and kidney issues from lack of nutrition.'

and

'It was sad. It was frustrating, but as brief as it was, I did get to experience it. I would have preferred to do it a lot longer. But Auden's wellbeing was paramount.'

What part of these statements above are about the child.

Even when HCP's pointed out that the baby was starving, it was all about that adult male.

'paramedic Jennifer Buckley was warned by doctors against trying to nourish newborn son Auden from her own chest but she went ahead anyway.'

and

'The controversial practice has been criticised by specialists as experimental and unethical but Ms Buckley believed she had the right to breastfeed her infant.'

and

'Ms Buckley said when doctors at the hospital learnt she was trying to breastfeed Auden they warned Ms Honnery-Buckley it could put her newborn at risk.'

and

'Apart from the milk he was getting from me he was essentially starving,' Ms Buckley said of the couple's hungry son'

Why was the hospital letting an infant ‘starve’? Or did this couple refuse formula and manufacture the need for this male to then ‘rescue’ the newborn by feeding their son? It should be noted the medical team for the baby thought this was not an advisable option. This male did it anyway!

That this endrocrinologist has spoken at AusPATH about this, and has 'assisted' FIVE other males to do this, I suspect each state in Australia will have some males to have done this already and quite a few more will be aiming for it.
The usual 'only one / two/ a few' rhetoric would be misinformed.
see below:

Dr Naomi Achong, a former president of Australian Professional Association for Trans Health (AusPATH), is the Brisbane endocrinologist who recommended Ms Buckley breastfeed Auden.
It is understood she has helped five other transgender women breastfeed.

Dr Achong spoke on the topic of 'lactation induction in transfemales' at a AusPATH conference last weekend and her talk was one of the most booked events.

I believe that I have since read that there have been more male people assisted. I think I remember nine being mentioned.