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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Rape trial collapses after accuser uses AI

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IwantToRetire · 27/07/2026 19:17

The Court of Appeal ruled that such practices amount to “witness coaching”, which is strictly prohibited in the UK because of the risks of influencing testimony.

In the Lewes case, the Crown Court initially agreed that a fair trial would be impossible. However, the Court of Appeal said the case should be heard at a retrial, which should be listed at the earliest opportunity.

Full article at https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2026/07/27/rape-trial-collapses-after-accuser-uses-ai/

And at

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Mariets · 27/07/2026 19:21

It sounds to me like she's looking for a way to make her case more believable. Why use AI unless she doesn't think she has enough proof.

onlytherain · 27/07/2026 19:35

Maybe you are right and she thought she didn't have enough proof. That is not the same as the rape not having taken place though. Rape is difficult to prove. Only 1-3% of women who have been raped achieve a conviction. That means 99% of men accused of rape walk free.

IwantToRetire · 27/07/2026 19:44

Mariets · 27/07/2026 19:21

It sounds to me like she's looking for a way to make her case more believable. Why use AI unless she doesn't think she has enough proof.

I think you haven't read the article.

There are probably hundreds if no thousands of court cases where people use humans to give them confidence in having to face questioning.

The issue here is that the implication is that AI might "tweak" the reply to be more than giving her confidence but about attempting to make "legal points".

And as I should in the OP there will be a retrial.

How grotesque to just conclude some how the woman is a bit flaky or something.

(Added to which of course, now that this had been made public, witnesses in any number of trials will now know not to use AI on a personal device, but anonymously.)

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IwantToRetire · 27/07/2026 19:44

onlytherain · 27/07/2026 19:35

Maybe you are right and she thought she didn't have enough proof. That is not the same as the rape not having taken place though. Rape is difficult to prove. Only 1-3% of women who have been raped achieve a conviction. That means 99% of men accused of rape walk free.

Exactly.

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IwantToRetire · 28/07/2026 18:18

There was a discussion about this on Radio 4 PM today and the implications for future trials, witnesses.

At about 17:26 minutes into the programme.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m002zghl

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DrBlackbird · 28/07/2026 18:49

Mariets · 27/07/2026 19:21

It sounds to me like she's looking for a way to make her case more believable. Why use AI unless she doesn't think she has enough proof.

I think this comment is odd. So quick to blame the victim.

First, there had to be sufficient proof that she’s believable in order for the CPS to even consider a trial. Second, why shouldn’t she enter prompts such as ‘what kinds of questions will I be asked’? That seems like an entirely reasonable response to being extremely anxious about being interrogated by a defense barrister trying to pick holes in your statement. Many women talk about the trial feeling like they are being violated all over again. Rather than her ‘looking to make her case more believable’.

And there is sufficient evidence for a retrial to proceed at the earliest opportunity.

RoyalCorgi · 28/07/2026 18:59

Surely everyone knows that victims in rape trials often face aggressive and hostile questioning? In that case, it's perfectly natural to want to prepare yourself to make sure you can give good answers.

ScrollingLeaves · 28/07/2026 21:57

RoyalCorgi · 28/07/2026 18:59

Surely everyone knows that victims in rape trials often face aggressive and hostile questioning? In that case, it's perfectly natural to want to prepare yourself to make sure you can give good answers.

Quite. What is unjust is that they are not coached first in how to deal with it, and how to present the series of events and actions in their case.

ScrollingLeaves · 28/07/2026 21:59

IwantToRetire · 27/07/2026 19:44

I think you haven't read the article.

There are probably hundreds if no thousands of court cases where people use humans to give them confidence in having to face questioning.

The issue here is that the implication is that AI might "tweak" the reply to be more than giving her confidence but about attempting to make "legal points".

And as I should in the OP there will be a retrial.

How grotesque to just conclude some how the woman is a bit flaky or something.

(Added to which of course, now that this had been made public, witnesses in any number of trials will now know not to use AI on a personal device, but anonymously.)

Yes, go to a library in another city.

ScrollingLeaves · 28/07/2026 22:01

ScrollingLeaves · 28/07/2026 21:59

Yes, go to a library in another city.

I forgot you need a library card. Big brother.

Janie143 · 28/07/2026 22:02

Not possible to read the article without a subscription

cinquanta · 28/07/2026 22:13

Janie143 · 28/07/2026 22:02

Not possible to read the article without a subscription

There must be a glitch somewhere. I have just read it without a subscription.

NoCommentingFromNowOn · 28/07/2026 22:37

I can’t see the article either.

ErrolTheDragon · 28/07/2026 22:47

This should be a gift link
Rape trial collapses after accuser uses AI
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/7cf50f9b0e462699

I couldn’t find the article at first… it’s in the business section.Confused

Rape trial collapses after accuser uses AI

Alleged victim prepared for cross-examination by utilising chatbot for answers

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/7cf50f9b0e462699

FinchiePink · 28/07/2026 23:22

IwantToRetire · 27/07/2026 19:44

I think you haven't read the article.

There are probably hundreds if no thousands of court cases where people use humans to give them confidence in having to face questioning.

The issue here is that the implication is that AI might "tweak" the reply to be more than giving her confidence but about attempting to make "legal points".

And as I should in the OP there will be a retrial.

How grotesque to just conclude some how the woman is a bit flaky or something.

(Added to which of course, now that this had been made public, witnesses in any number of trials will now know not to use AI on a personal device, but anonymously.)

I don't think concluding she is "flaky" is what's happening here.

There have been strict rules against witness coaching in the UK, for good reason, for many years. It's an abuse of process. It makes it hard to distinguish what is genuine testimony first hand from the witness and what has been provided by a third party. If there is witness coaching then the evidence is inadmissible and the trial collapses.

In this case, R v FGD [2026] EWCA Crim 918, the prosecution didn't even attempt to deny that the use of AI amounted to witness coaching / training. The prosecutions defence was that there should be other ways of addressing this prejudice and that the stay needn't be granted.

NB witness coaching is different to witness preparation or familiarisation which is completely legal and designed to give witnesses an idea of what will happen in court and is about the process rather than the testimony.

The use of AI in trials and tribunals has been problematic for a number of years now. "Precedents" have been provided for cases that don't exist; the AI hallucinates them.

As far as I know, this is the first case in which the use of AI technology to has been ruled to be witness coaching.

I suspect it's something we'll see more of to be honest. Technology evolves faster than the law and our courts do, and legislation is always running to keep up.

It's not to do with the accuser as an individual and whether she's flaky or not, it's our courts navigating their way through unchartered waters.

IwantToRetire · 29/07/2026 02:05

Apologies it looks like in the OP I added the words

And at - but somehow didn't paste in the archive link.

Which is: https://archive.is/AZtfV

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IwantToRetire · 29/07/2026 02:10

Anyway. I thought it worth noting that it was an item on today's PM.

And even that MCP who presents it was sympathetic.

And although the situation of a rape victim being put through, what is happening here is the process of basically working out in real time that the legal system as is doesn't take into account the growth of new technology, in this instance AI, and what should they do in the future.

I hope when the new trial starts she will get the support she needs.

And that the legal system tries to think in advance of changes to the system, not making a victim the living experience of them going what should be do now there is AI.

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LoremIpsumCici · 29/07/2026 02:10

I think that’s wrong to not allow AI. It can be impossible to write exactly what happened yourself because of the enormity of having to relive it. Using AI to fill in the unspoken is an aid. The victim is still going to proofread it to ensure it’s not exaggerated or untrue and then sign it under oath of perjury.

MyAmpleSheep · 29/07/2026 02:23

onlytherain · 27/07/2026 19:35

Maybe you are right and she thought she didn't have enough proof. That is not the same as the rape not having taken place though. Rape is difficult to prove. Only 1-3% of women who have been raped achieve a conviction. That means 99% of men accused of rape walk free.

Only 1-3% of women who have been raped achieve a conviction. That means 99% of men accused of rape walk free.

That is statistically not correct. It would be correct only if it were the case that every woman who has been raped makes a complaint.

For instance: if only 3% of women who have been raped make a complaint, and still 3% of women who had been raped achieve a conviction, then every complaint results in a conviction and no man accused of rape has walked free.

You might prefer to say that 99% of men guilty of rape go free.

SummerNocturnal · 29/07/2026 02:25

So she's asked chat gpt to sum up her experience, from what she can recall, as she was too drunk to give consent to an ex?
I don't see how that's tampering. It's like when AI summarises my emails for me, rather than my stream of consciousness BS.
So what's the analogy? Is it like when an exam scribe has to write ad verbatim what a candidate pupil dictates and mustn't change a word or improve their spelling/grammar?

LoremIpsumCici · 29/07/2026 02:31

SummerNocturnal · 29/07/2026 02:25

So she's asked chat gpt to sum up her experience, from what she can recall, as she was too drunk to give consent to an ex?
I don't see how that's tampering. It's like when AI summarises my emails for me, rather than my stream of consciousness BS.
So what's the analogy? Is it like when an exam scribe has to write ad verbatim what a candidate pupil dictates and mustn't change a word or improve their spelling/grammar?

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I think another analogy might be when a translator is used when the victim doesn’t speak English. There’s going to be a struggle to communicate and the translator is going to be deciding on nuances like feeling forced to have sex (rape by coercion) vs forcible sex (rape by assault)

MeanwhileinGilead · 29/07/2026 02:32

It sounds to me like she's looking for a way to make her case more believable. Why use AI unless she doesn't think she has enough proof.

Why use AI to help revise your CV unless you think your experience isn't good enough and you just shouldn't bother to look for a job?

It sounds to me like the court has hee haw idea about how AI works, which is quaint and archaic but possible. And that they have no idea what rape is like, which is really concerning.

cinquanta · 29/07/2026 06:13

MeanwhileinGilead · 29/07/2026 02:32

It sounds to me like she's looking for a way to make her case more believable. Why use AI unless she doesn't think she has enough proof.

Why use AI to help revise your CV unless you think your experience isn't good enough and you just shouldn't bother to look for a job?

It sounds to me like the court has hee haw idea about how AI works, which is quaint and archaic but possible. And that they have no idea what rape is like, which is really concerning.

Witness coaching isn’t permitted, using AI or any other means.

Mt563 · 29/07/2026 06:26

LoremIpsumCici · 29/07/2026 02:31

I think another analogy might be when a translator is used when the victim doesn’t speak English. There’s going to be a struggle to communicate and the translator is going to be deciding on nuances like feeling forced to have sex (rape by coercion) vs forcible sex (rape by assault)

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Yes, except an interpreter (spoken word; translator for written word) is a trained professional whilst an AI is not actually intelligent and can make all sorts of odd mistakes.

FinchiePink · 29/07/2026 06:59

LoremIpsumCici · 29/07/2026 02:10

I think that’s wrong to not allow AI. It can be impossible to write exactly what happened yourself because of the enormity of having to relive it. Using AI to fill in the unspoken is an aid. The victim is still going to proofread it to ensure it’s not exaggerated or untrue and then sign it under oath of perjury.

But there is the problem - you cannot use a third party to "fill in" anything because those filled in parts are not testimony coming from you.