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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

NHS update on recording patient sex and gender identity

430 replies

Whatchamacallitt · 27/07/2026 19:08

For a long time sex has been erased and replaced with gender identity. Trans-identified people actually lose out the most with this. There have been cases of trans-identified women having heart attacks, pregnancy emergencies, and kidney failure missed due to clinicians relying on normal male test ranges or presumed male sex. There have been issues for trans-identified men too but unsurprisingly it is the women who have suffered the most due to these policies.

Fortunately the NHS Core Information Standard has been updated to make 'sex at birth' a mandatory data item, with the option to record gender identity separately for patients who feel they have one.

(I don't personally believe in gender identity but recognise it is a genuinely held belief for many trans-identified people and also that it could be helpful information in the context of an altered body due to medicalisation.)

Release Notes - Core Information Standard V2.01 - NHS Standards Directory

https://standards.nhs.uk/published-standards/core-information-standard/release-notes?page=2

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PrettyDamnCosmic · 29/07/2026 15:15

Sunnibee · 29/07/2026 15:01

This whole thread was started with the OP declaring what was in the best interests of trans people, and I waded in to object to that for reasons clearly outlined in my initial posts.
There are two trans people on this thread: one who would like a birth sex marker on his medical record and the other who would not. Both should be free to make those decisions for themselves as adults with legal capacity who have a right to make decisions about disclosure and access to personal information and decisions about their own healthcare.

You seem oddly over invested in this issue. Do you have a trans relative?

Sunnibee · 29/07/2026 15:14

MyAmpleSheep · 29/07/2026 15:06

Both should be free to make those decisions for themselves as adults with legal capacity who have a right to make decisions about disclosure and access to personal information and decisions about their own healthcare.

You have a right to refuse healthcare. You don't have the right to demand it or request it on the basis of false information that you provide. You don't have the "right" knowingly to decieve a healthcare provider into giving you incorrect and possibly harmful treatment for your sex. It's unfair to the person treating you, as much as anything else.

You are conflating a lot of different things here.

No one is arguing that clinicians should be misled or that patients should receive treatment based on false information. The question is whether there should be a mandate for birth sex to be routinely and universally displayed across all clinical encounters - whether that is proportionate, justified and the impact of such a rule on the privacy of trans patients.

Nor does recording a person's gender necessarily amount to "false information". In many healthcare interactions, a person's gender is the more relevant demographic characteristic, while birth sex is a separate piece of clinical information that may or may not be relevant depending on the context.

The debate is about how healthcare systems should record and disclose different types of information—not about whether clinicians should be deceived.

AimsAndObjectives · 29/07/2026 15:13

MyAmpleSheep · 29/07/2026 13:25

it was prompted by your post but not directed to you.

If clinical decisions about test results from samples are made only reference to the information on the label then sex on sample labels would be needed. (I suspect decisions are not in fact made only by reference to the label.)

Are there any good reasons sex is printed on wristbands? Open question to all.

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If clinical decisions about test results from samples are made only reference to the information on the label then sex on sample labels would be needed. (I suspect decisions are not in fact made only by reference to the label.)

Yes, I imagine that M/F is automatically printed out as part of the identifier for a particular patient (name/dob/nhs or hospital number/sex). The sex will be taken into account, if applicable, when the clinician reviews the results and will be downloaded from the notes (not the sample bottle, which is long gone).

MyAmpleSheep · 29/07/2026 15:06

Sunnibee · 29/07/2026 15:01

This whole thread was started with the OP declaring what was in the best interests of trans people, and I waded in to object to that for reasons clearly outlined in my initial posts.
There are two trans people on this thread: one who would like a birth sex marker on his medical record and the other who would not. Both should be free to make those decisions for themselves as adults with legal capacity who have a right to make decisions about disclosure and access to personal information and decisions about their own healthcare.

Both should be free to make those decisions for themselves as adults with legal capacity who have a right to make decisions about disclosure and access to personal information and decisions about their own healthcare.

You have a right to refuse healthcare. You don't have the right to demand it or request it on the basis of false information that you provide. You don't have the "right" knowingly to decieve a healthcare provider into giving you incorrect and possibly harmful treatment for your sex. It's unfair to the person treating you, as much as anything else.

Lougle · 29/07/2026 15:02

Sunnibee · 29/07/2026 14:21

I have no problem revealing my birth sex with clinicians, people on the internet or anyone else. It's on my medical records, and assumed based on my appearance, name etc in almost every encounter in my life. I'm am not trans. Birth sex isn't typically sensitive data for people who aren't trans. The reason birth sex is sensitive information for trans people is that it can reveal that they are trans.

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I'm struggling with how this plays out in practice. Telephone call... Voice often sounds like natal sex. Visually, very few would pass. If you can neither see nor hear the patient, you have to know the sex to make a sound clinical assessment.

Sunnibee · 29/07/2026 15:01

PrettyDamnCosmic · 29/07/2026 14:40

I'm am not trans. Birth sex isn't typically sensitive data for people who aren't trans. The reason birth sex is sensitive information for trans people is that it can reveal that they are trans.

So you are not trans but arguing on behalf of trans people? If so why are you ignoring the lived experience of a trans person who thinks like every other sensible person that sex absolutely needs to be on your medical record.

You seem over invested in this issue. Do you have a trans relative?

This whole thread was started with the OP declaring what was in the best interests of trans people, and I waded in to object to that for reasons clearly outlined in my initial posts.
There are two trans people on this thread: one who would like a birth sex marker on his medical record and the other who would not. Both should be free to make those decisions for themselves as adults with legal capacity who have a right to make decisions about disclosure and access to personal information and decisions about their own healthcare.

MyAmpleSheep · 29/07/2026 15:01

Lougle · 29/07/2026 14:59

"The evidence base on how to interpret these values in trans patients receiving gender-affirming hormone treatment is poor, but we suggest that
the use of the assigned sex at birth is most appropriate, with the exception of haematocrit as that is testosterone sensitive, so a male refence range
should be used in those treated with testosterone."

<a class="break-all" href="https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=apps.nhslothian.scot/files/sites/2/Gender-specific-reference-ranges-for-blood-tests-1.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjFje-ahPiVAxV1aEEAHaf0Dg4QFnoECBwQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3JJGcagCRZh3pymCFYBLMD" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">NHS Lothian

The evidence base on how to interpret these values in trans patients receiving gender-affirming hormone treatment is poor

Is there any need to read past that sentence? Using uncertain evidence about endocrinology is a very weak reason to record either birth sex or hormone-treatment sex as a primary reference.

Lougle · 29/07/2026 14:59

Sunnibee · 29/07/2026 14:25

For trans people who are on hormonal therapies (and have been for 6-12 months), the relevant baseline data may well be that related to their gender and not their birth sex.

"The evidence base on how to interpret these values in trans patients receiving gender-affirming hormone treatment is poor, but we suggest that
the use of the assigned sex at birth is most appropriate, with the exception of haematocrit as that is testosterone sensitive, so a male refence range
should be used in those treated with testosterone."

<a class="break-all" href="https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=apps.nhslothian.scot/files/sites/2/Gender-specific-reference-ranges-for-blood-tests-1.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjFje-ahPiVAxV1aEEAHaf0Dg4QFnoECBwQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3JJGcagCRZh3pymCFYBLMD" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">NHS Lothian

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://apps.nhslothian.scot/files/sites/2/Gender-specific-reference-ranges-for-blood-tests-1.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjFje-ahPiVAxV1aEEAHaf0Dg4QFnoECBwQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3JJGcagCRZh3pymCFYBLMD

Ereshkigalangcleg · 29/07/2026 14:57

MyAmpleSheep · 29/07/2026 14:48

The reason birth sex is sensitive information for trans people is that it can reveal that they are trans.

This is the root of the problem. I think it's unreasonable for society to indulge the idea that being trans is shameful or something to be sensitive about. I don't think society can afford to do so. If we give up the idea that someone's trans status can reasonably be expected to be kept secret then pretty much all problems go away.

Agreed.

Sunnibee · 29/07/2026 14:56

Seethlaw · 29/07/2026 14:32

Never happened to me. I was on testosterone for 15 years, and none of the many levels that kept getting checked ever strayed out of the female range.

Except one, of course: testosterone in the blood.

Nor did my endocrinologist, who is a specialist in trans care too, ever inform me that should I be checked for this or that, I needed to inform the practitioner that I was trans because my levels could be in the male range. That never came up.

Not all tests necessarily follow this pattern of course, but there's is plenty of evidence that some often do. The point is that the picture is complex and mixed and it's not always evidence which marker is more relevant - that entirely depends on the clinical context.

Greene DN et al. (2019). Hematology Reference Intervals for Transgender Adults on Stable Hormone Therapy. Clinical Chimica Acta.PubMed: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30771301/

Humble RM et al. (2022). Reference Intervals for Clinical Chemistry Analytes for Transgender Men and Women on Stable Hormone Therapy. Journal of Applied Laboratory Medicine.PubMed: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35584132/
Examines creatinine, liver enzymes, lipids, HbA1c and other routine chemistry tests after at least one year of hormone therapy.

Greene DN et al. (2021). Reproductive Endocrinology Reference Intervals for Transgender Men on Stable Hormone Therapy. Journal of Applied Laboratory Medicine.PubMed: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33241847/

Streed CG Jr et al. (2025). Laboratory Monitoring in Transgender and Gender-Diverse Individuals.PubMed: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39928416/
Recent review recommending that, for people established on hormone therapy, affirmed-gender reference ranges should generally be used for haemoglobin/haematocrit, creatinine, high-sensitivity troponin and NT-proBNP.

Wiepjes CM et al. (2023). Changes in Laboratory Results in Transgender Individuals on Hormone Therapy—a Retrospective Study and Practical Approach.PubMed: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37224509/
Large retrospective study of over 2,200 transgender people, concluding that after approximately one year of hormone therapy, many laboratory values resemble those of the affirmed gender and recommending use of affirmed-gender reference intervals as a practical approach.

Greene DN et al. (2019). Common Hormone Therapies Used to Care for Transgender Patients Influence Laboratory Results. Journal of Applied Laboratory Medicine.PubMed: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31639755/
Reviews changes in haematological, biochemical and endocrine laboratory values following masculinising and feminising hormone therapy.

Common Hormone Therapies Used to Care for Transgender Patients Influence Laboratory Results - PubMed

Transgender individuals receiving hormone therapy experienced significant changes in components of basic chemistry, endocrine, and hematologic parameters following administration of hormone therapy. Variability in hormone dosing and route of administra...

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31639755/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

MyAmpleSheep · 29/07/2026 14:48

Sunnibee · 29/07/2026 14:21

I have no problem revealing my birth sex with clinicians, people on the internet or anyone else. It's on my medical records, and assumed based on my appearance, name etc in almost every encounter in my life. I'm am not trans. Birth sex isn't typically sensitive data for people who aren't trans. The reason birth sex is sensitive information for trans people is that it can reveal that they are trans.

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The reason birth sex is sensitive information for trans people is that it can reveal that they are trans.

This is the root of the problem. I think it's unreasonable for society to indulge the idea that being trans is shameful or something to be sensitive about. I don't think society can afford to do so. If we give up the idea that someone's trans status can reasonably be expected to be kept secret then pretty much all problems go away.

MyAmpleSheep · 29/07/2026 14:45

Lougle · 29/07/2026 13:58

"Are there any good reasons sex is printed on wristbands?"

They shouldn't be. ISB 0099 is the standard for wrist band ID. There should be four identifiers: Forename, Surname, Date of Birth, NHS number.

That's very interesting. There was a recent trans Reddit thread (with photographs) where a trans person was showing how they had covered up their sex marker on their wristband with a bit of tape. Perhaps not all hospitals are following that standard?

PrettyDamnCosmic · 29/07/2026 14:40

Sunnibee · 29/07/2026 14:21

I have no problem revealing my birth sex with clinicians, people on the internet or anyone else. It's on my medical records, and assumed based on my appearance, name etc in almost every encounter in my life. I'm am not trans. Birth sex isn't typically sensitive data for people who aren't trans. The reason birth sex is sensitive information for trans people is that it can reveal that they are trans.

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I'm am not trans. Birth sex isn't typically sensitive data for people who aren't trans. The reason birth sex is sensitive information for trans people is that it can reveal that they are trans.

So you are not trans but arguing on behalf of trans people? If so why are you ignoring the lived experience of a trans person who thinks like every other sensible person that sex absolutely needs to be on your medical record.

You seem over invested in this issue. Do you have a trans relative?

lcakethereforeIam · 29/07/2026 14:36

Sunnibee · 29/07/2026 14:25

For trans people who are on hormonal therapies (and have been for 6-12 months), the relevant baseline data may well be that related to their gender and not their birth sex.

I think both. If someone has been taking wrong sex hormones it may mess with results. Would also possibly apply to women on HRT. I'd assume results that aren't what expected would warrant further investigation. Whether the results are wrong because of disease or hormones.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 29/07/2026 14:35

Sunnibee · 29/07/2026 14:25

For trans people who are on hormonal therapies (and have been for 6-12 months), the relevant baseline data may well be that related to their gender and not their birth sex.

Nope

no one changes sex

the relevant baseline will remain that of your sex

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 29/07/2026 14:33

Sunnibee · 29/07/2026 14:25

For trans people who are on hormonal therapies (and have been for 6-12 months), the relevant baseline data may well be that related to their gender and not their birth sex.

Ooh! Citations and summaries of specfic examples please!

Because that sounds like wishful thinking. I'd have thought that baseline data would either be the same as their birth sex or specific to people of that sex who've been on hormones for a long time, and only rarely the same baseline as the other sex.

But I'm always happy to learn better from people with the facts at their fingertips.

Seethlaw · 29/07/2026 14:32

Sunnibee · 29/07/2026 14:25

For trans people who are on hormonal therapies (and have been for 6-12 months), the relevant baseline data may well be that related to their gender and not their birth sex.

Never happened to me. I was on testosterone for 15 years, and none of the many levels that kept getting checked ever strayed out of the female range.

Except one, of course: testosterone in the blood.

Nor did my endocrinologist, who is a specialist in trans care too, ever inform me that should I be checked for this or that, I needed to inform the practitioner that I was trans because my levels could be in the male range. That never came up.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 29/07/2026 14:30

Lougle · 29/07/2026 13:58

"Are there any good reasons sex is printed on wristbands?"

They shouldn't be. ISB 0099 is the standard for wrist band ID. There should be four identifiers: Forename, Surname, Date of Birth, NHS number.

There should be four identifiers: Forename, Surname, Date of Birth, NHS number.

Most Trusts will also include a hospital number unique to that Trust.

Sunnibee · 29/07/2026 14:25

lcakethereforeIam · 29/07/2026 13:17

Samples go to a lab. The clinicians there will, I assume, have baseline data that they measure what they're testing for against. Some of the measurements will be different for each sex. What's within normal parameters for men might indicate a problem in a woman and vice versa. It's possible that because the NHS no., which used to indicate sex, can no longer the trusted it has to have its own field. It may be that sex was always recorded separately. I think it's imperative now that it has its own field.

For trans people who are on hormonal therapies (and have been for 6-12 months), the relevant baseline data may well be that related to their gender and not their birth sex.

Sunnibee · 29/07/2026 14:21

MyAmpleSheep · 29/07/2026 12:58

Why are you happy to reveal your birth sex to strangers on the internet but not to doctors providing you treatment?

I have no problem revealing my birth sex with clinicians, people on the internet or anyone else. It's on my medical records, and assumed based on my appearance, name etc in almost every encounter in my life. I'm am not trans. Birth sex isn't typically sensitive data for people who aren't trans. The reason birth sex is sensitive information for trans people is that it can reveal that they are trans.

Seethlaw · 29/07/2026 14:16

Lougle · 29/07/2026 14:06

That all sounds, dare I say it, sensible? You recognise that it's a genuine mishap and move on. They apologise for the inadvertent slip, much as someone who was called 'Mr' might say 'actually, it's Dr...'

Well, from what I've seen and experienced, you ultimately only have two broad options as a trans person: be sensible or be paranoid.

If you're sensible, pretty much anything can be smoothed over quickly and efficiently. You spend most of your life being comfortable in your presentation around people. People can focus on their job around you. You can be relaxed in new situations.

If you're paranoid, molehills become mountains. You second-guess everything people say and do, looking for reasons to be hurt. People have to walk on eggshells around you all the time. You stress in advance before every single new situation.

I've seen people in both camps. I never saw the point of even trying the second one, and went straight to the first. I've never regretted it.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 29/07/2026 14:08

Ereshkigalangcleg · 29/07/2026 00:47

Linking the piece, have just this second found it

https://medium.com/@anneharperwright/sex-gender-the-nhs-bb86b0c3ebb

So, in a not fun twist to the tale ending, and despite everything the NHS has put in place to prevent this exact situation from happening, this is how things have ended up anyway.
I’ve been allocated an identity, a ‘gender’ — one that I haven’t actually agreed with I may add — and my sex has vanished.
Is your medical record like mine? Sex erased, gender identity assigned instead?The only way to find out is to submit your own subject access request as I did. But my prediction is that you’ll find something similar on your own record. You may well have been allocated a ladybrain or a manbrain on your medical record, and your biological sex may be missing.

Given the explicit directions and warnings of possible catastrophes by the architects of the NHS data system, it is astounding to learn those clear directions have gone unheeded.
The term ‘Gender’ is now considered too ambiguous to be desirable or safe”
I think the NHS should probably urgently consider that whilst their sex and gender design guidance was exemplary, their execution of it has failed, horribly, and that failure is now exposing patients to actual, physical risk.
The NHS have monumentally screwed up here. There are very real risks to having patient medical records that do not capture sex, but which instead log only purported masculine or feminine feelings, changeable at will, or at the careless keystroke of an administrative assistant or busy healthcare professional. And a field which can be altered and edited easily is a field which exposes a patient to risk. Should sex be easily editable? No, it should be cast-iron locked down, and it should be the field used for every significant clinical application. And it should be sex, not gender that is the measure used to analyse patient outcomes for diseases, treatments. And it should be sex, not gender, that is the characteristic used to segregate wards for privacy.
Should sex ever be unpopulated? Categorically, NO.
Gender, for those — and ONLY for those — that wish to have their feelings noted on their medical records, should remain the preserve of polite honorifics and pronouns in correspondence. Administrative communication purposes. Not medical treatment, not national screening programmes, not data analysis of medical outcomes and treatment.

Lougle · 29/07/2026 14:06

Seethlaw · 29/07/2026 13:59

As much as they can, yes. Which means that I do get called "Ma'am" quite often, by people who have no reason to know yet that I'm trans, but then they correct themselves once they see me. I've certainly never run into anyone giving me a hard time because I'm trans. At worst, I keep getting called "Ma'am" by those specialists who see pretty much only women, and I can deal with that.

For example, a classic one is when I go and get blood samples taken. The receptionist sees me ("Sir"). Then she prepares the paperwork and sets is aside for the technician to pick up. I go in the waiting room. Then the technician arrives, takes my paperwork and goes calling for "Madam Seethlaw". I get up, they go, "Oh, sorry, Sir." And that's it. Note that if I wanted to avoid this, I could discreetly ask the recpetionist to make a note on my paperwork to call me "Sir". But I feel like this would call more attention to my being trans than a single "Ma'am", so I can't be bothered.

The only time it got weird was when I went to see a new gynae, and he didn't clock that I was a trans man. He was very visibly unhappy, until I clarified which equipment I'd been born with. Something, incidentally, which wouldn't have happened if there had been a "Sex at birth" field in my record. As it was, he could only go on with my NHS number, which as we know can be modified.

That all sounds, dare I say it, sensible? You recognise that it's a genuine mishap and move on. They apologise for the inadvertent slip, much as someone who was called 'Mr' might say 'actually, it's Dr...'

Ereshkigalangcleg · 29/07/2026 14:02

RareGoalsVerge · 29/07/2026 13:53

I do not have a gender, I reject gender. Gender is sexist stereotypes - obviously anyone who looks at me and is sexist will assume a gender for me because my sex is obvious, but non-sexist people will not and won't need to as gender is irrelevant, they will merely perceive my sex and get on with their day. I want my NHS records to have my sex clearly and visibly indicated to anyone who sees my records because they need to know whether to compare the levels of various things being detected in my blood samples etc against male or female averages to know what is elevated/insufficient. I want any "gender" box to be blank and always blank and never automatically filled in with the gender that a sexist person would expect from my body type, because there is no need for anyone who is treating me to know anything about the extent to which sexist stereotypes (ie gender) apply to me.

The idea that sex should be something private is very silly and it would be irresponsible and unprofessional for anyone working in healthcare to aid anyone in keeping it a secret, it would be openly encouraging malpractice failures with someone being given the wrong treatment for their body type. A female who has had drastic cosmetic surgery and takes huge testosterone doses is not the same as a male and needs to be treated by a clinical team who know them to be a female who has had drastic cosmetic surgery and takes huge testosterone doses. A male who has had drastic cosmetic surgery and takes huge oestrogen doses is not the same as a female and needs to be treated by a clinical team who know them to be a male who has had drastic cosmetic surgery and takes huge oestrogen doses. The NHS clearly knows this, and isn't afraid to say so any more.

Exactly, and that’s what’s happened in practice, see the work of Anne Harper-Wright that I linked below. The sex field isn’t populated, instead, every woman in the country has essentially been assigned a lady brain.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 29/07/2026 14:01

Lougle · 29/07/2026 13:58

"Are there any good reasons sex is printed on wristbands?"

They shouldn't be. ISB 0099 is the standard for wrist band ID. There should be four identifiers: Forename, Surname, Date of Birth, NHS number.

Learn something every day! 😀