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Don't release violent male offenders, repurpose women's prisons for them instead

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CohensDiamondTeeth · 26/07/2026 12:03

Article in the Telegraph.

Instead lets release women from prison instead, and repurpose their prisons to house the men.

It sounds like an excellent idea to me!

Repurpose women’s prisons for men, campaigners tell Andy Burnham

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CohensDiamondTeeth · 26/07/2026 13:35

I think that my OP could have been better worded.

I assumed that everyone who read the article would understand that I was talking about the non-violent female prisoners we have talked about in this thread.

It didn't even cross my mind that it could be read as a suggestion that we give all female prisoners a get out of jail free card.

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CohensDiamondTeeth · 26/07/2026 13:25

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 26/07/2026 13:16

Your first comment seemed to say "all women" do you actually mean "non violent women"?

Sorry no. To clarify, I definitely do not think that all women offenders should be released.

Some women are incredibly violent, a very small number have even committed sexual crimes, and some of those were against children.

Some women absolutely should be in prison, and they should serve out their sentences in full for their crimes.

I meant the non-violent, petty crime committing, vulnerable because they were pushed into crime by addiction, poverty, or coerced by violent men, overly harshly punished female prisoners who were talked about in the article.

I don't think women should get a free pass because they are female, that would be insane as well as sexist! Ha ha!

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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 26/07/2026 13:16

CohensDiamondTeeth · 26/07/2026 12:23

So you'd rather give early release to violent male offenders who have committed murders, rape and other sexual crimes like grooming children?

Rather than a small number of non-violent female offenders who committed petty crimes?

Ok. I know who I'd prefer to be given early release if I had the choice. I'll give you a hint, it's the female prisoners who aren't likely to hurt anyone else.

Your first comment seemed to say "all women" do you actually mean "non violent women"?

CohensDiamondTeeth · 26/07/2026 13:15

TheignT · 26/07/2026 13:07

Did I disagree with that? You seem to miss that men are also in prison for non violent offences and women are in for violent offences. No problems with category of crime being used but not assuming all male prisoners are violent and women never are.

No one has said that.

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CohensDiamondTeeth · 26/07/2026 13:13

TheignT · 26/07/2026 13:02

No id rather criminals were treated the same regardless of their sex. If a woman is released because her sentence was for not paying her council tax then I think a man who committed the same offence should also be released just like I think Rose West shouldn't be released.

Why do you want to compare violent men with non violent women as if they are the equivalent.

Let's release all the people in prison for non violent non sexual offences out. Or pick a category if crime not the sex of the offender.

I agree that a lot of petty crime that results in prison sentences like non payment of council tax is ridiculous, and yes that sort of low level, non-violent, often borne of poverty "crime" should be treated the same regardless of sex.

I think a lot could be done with rehabilitation and support for lots of those sorts of crimes for both sexes. I'd like to see a lot more done in the way of prevention, but I wouldn't even know where to start that's such a multi-armed behemoth task, so it's just wishful thinking on my part.

But you are ignoring the important facts that women are often imprisoned for these sort of petty non-violent crimes when men often just aren't. The system is often sexist and weighed against women when it comes to crimes like that.

I'm not comparing violent male offenders with non-violent female offenders at all. I'm saying there's a huge difference between them.

You're the one who seems to be saying you'd rather the more likely to reoffend violent male offenders get early release than see non-violent female offenders who have been shown able to become rehabilitated, and have those violent male offenders serve their sentence in a different prison... because somehow you see that as the equality women were asking for?

Edited to add a couple of "often"s because someone is going to say I said men never get put in prison for that sort of crime, and of course they do, just not at the same rate as women.

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TheignT · 26/07/2026 13:07

AgentPidge · 26/07/2026 13:04

How many women have you heard of who beat up their partner? And how many men who beat up theirs?
She's saying that if you're going to release prisoners, release the less-violent ones and put the violent ones in there instead.

Did I disagree with that? You seem to miss that men are also in prison for non violent offences and women are in for violent offences. No problems with category of crime being used but not assuming all male prisoners are violent and women never are.

TheignT · 26/07/2026 13:05

GarlicEverywhere · 26/07/2026 12:36

Hang on ... a fair few men are in prison for possessing and trading CSA material. Crime is non-violent at end user point, but violence was committed to create the images.

I can think of other classes of very harmful, non-violent crimes, too. Not council tax and TV licence defaults, obviously.

On another thread about putting men into women's prisons a while back, I learned that the reinforcements required would be prohibitively expensive. Women's prisons aren't really reinforced, because they don't need to be.

Yes I think they should also be classed as violent.

AgentPidge · 26/07/2026 13:04

TheignT · 26/07/2026 12:11

Why shouldn't women be in prison? We fought for equality so if a woman commits the same crime as a man she should do the same time.

How many women have you heard of who beat up their partner? And how many men who beat up theirs?
She's saying that if you're going to release prisoners, release the less-violent ones and put the violent ones in there instead.

TheignT · 26/07/2026 13:04

GarlicEverywhere · 26/07/2026 12:44

I suppose you could put the least violent 3,500 male criminals into the formerly female estate. It would only make a tiny dent in the problem, though.

I wish were investing more in the prison system, building much nicer facilities with all the staffing, training and therapeutic services HMP keeps forlornly requesting. It would cost a lot but be much more likely to result in reformed crims.

The probation service also needs more support.

TheignT · 26/07/2026 13:03

PowerTulle · 26/07/2026 12:59

It does seem very unfair that women commit very little serious crime and hardly any violent crime, and yet have to serve their whole sentences. Whilst predatory and violent men are let out early just because there are so many of them the prison system can’t cope with the numbers.

Yes basing these things on sex is inherently unfair.

TheignT · 26/07/2026 13:02

CohensDiamondTeeth · 26/07/2026 12:36

But the majority of female prisoners aren't in prison for violent crimes.

The article does say there are plans to repeat a successful rehabilitation program for non-violent prisoners, and it only talks about repurposing one prison to free up spaces so it's not like all female prisoners get a free pass.

It doesn't mention anywhere that the plan is to allow women to commit crime with impunity or release violent female offenders.

And again, you'd rather let male prisoners who are murderers, rapists and child groomers out early than this as an alternative?

No id rather criminals were treated the same regardless of their sex. If a woman is released because her sentence was for not paying her council tax then I think a man who committed the same offence should also be released just like I think Rose West shouldn't be released.

Why do you want to compare violent men with non violent women as if they are the equivalent.

Let's release all the people in prison for non violent non sexual offences out. Or pick a category if crime not the sex of the offender.

PowerTulle · 26/07/2026 12:59

It does seem very unfair that women commit very little serious crime and hardly any violent crime, and yet have to serve their whole sentences. Whilst predatory and violent men are let out early just because there are so many of them the prison system can’t cope with the numbers.

CohensDiamondTeeth · 26/07/2026 12:45

Friendlygingercat · 26/07/2026 12:36

Women make up a small minority (about 4%) of the overall prison population. Most are serving comparatively short sentences (less than 12 months) for fraud and petty theft non violent crimes, often related to poverty and/or addiction. Given that the female prison population is so small in comparison with the male one there is probably little space to be gained from releasing such women early and repurposing these spaces for violent males.

Yes the prison mentioned in the article would only free up a relatively small amount of spaces.

Still, that's that number of violent male offenders prevented from early release where they will likely reoffend weighed against that number of non-violent female offenders being given early release from over harsh sentencing.

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GarlicEverywhere · 26/07/2026 12:44

I suppose you could put the least violent 3,500 male criminals into the formerly female estate. It would only make a tiny dent in the problem, though.

I wish were investing more in the prison system, building much nicer facilities with all the staffing, training and therapeutic services HMP keeps forlornly requesting. It would cost a lot but be much more likely to result in reformed crims.

CohensDiamondTeeth · 26/07/2026 12:42

GarlicEverywhere · 26/07/2026 12:36

Hang on ... a fair few men are in prison for possessing and trading CSA material. Crime is non-violent at end user point, but violence was committed to create the images.

I can think of other classes of very harmful, non-violent crimes, too. Not council tax and TV licence defaults, obviously.

On another thread about putting men into women's prisons a while back, I learned that the reinforcements required would be prohibitively expensive. Women's prisons aren't really reinforced, because they don't need to be.

Yes my knee jerk reaction was to nod in agreement to that, and then I thought hang on too.

That's interesting, if depressing about it being more cost effective essentially to release these violent male prisoners rather than release non violent female prisoners.

@BettyFilous

BettyFilous · Today 12:31
Isn’t the issue that there aren’t many women’s prisons so women tend to be imprisoned at distance from their home base? This makes it harder to sustain family visits and contact with their children. Yes, I’d rather keep dangerous male offenders in prison to serve their full term. However, for women who do need to be in prison there are unintended adverse impacts for them and their children.

Yes that's a really good point. I was going to suggest that the money saved on imprisoning women for petty crimes like non payment of tv licence or council tax could probably go towards helping with visitation for families who need it, until GarlicEverywhere's post.

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Friendlygingercat · 26/07/2026 12:36

Women make up a small minority (about 4%) of the overall prison population. Most are serving comparatively short sentences (less than 12 months) for fraud and petty theft non violent crimes, often related to poverty and/or addiction. Given that the female prison population is so small in comparison with the male one there is probably little space to be gained from releasing such women early and repurposing these spaces for violent males.

CohensDiamondTeeth · 26/07/2026 12:36

TheignT · 26/07/2026 12:27

Some women are in prison for violent crimes.

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But the majority of female prisoners aren't in prison for violent crimes.

The article does say there are plans to repeat a successful rehabilitation program for non-violent prisoners, and it only talks about repurposing one prison to free up spaces so it's not like all female prisoners get a free pass.

It doesn't mention anywhere that the plan is to allow women to commit crime with impunity or release violent female offenders.

And again, you'd rather let male prisoners who are murderers, rapists and child groomers out early than this as an alternative?

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GarlicEverywhere · 26/07/2026 12:36

TheignT · 26/07/2026 12:30

So let prisoners who have committed non violent crimes out.

Hang on ... a fair few men are in prison for possessing and trading CSA material. Crime is non-violent at end user point, but violence was committed to create the images.

I can think of other classes of very harmful, non-violent crimes, too. Not council tax and TV licence defaults, obviously.

On another thread about putting men into women's prisons a while back, I learned that the reinforcements required would be prohibitively expensive. Women's prisons aren't really reinforced, because they don't need to be.

TheignT · 26/07/2026 12:33

BettyFilous · 26/07/2026 12:31

Isn’t the issue that there aren’t many women’s prisons so women tend to be imprisoned at distance from their home base? This makes it harder to sustain family visits and contact with their children. Yes, I’d rather keep dangerous male offenders in prison to serve their full term. However, for women who do need to be in prison there are unintended adverse impacts for them and their children.

Do you also think dangerous women should be in prison?

Freddiefisher · 26/07/2026 12:33

Excellent idea
And obviously the most sensible thing to do
Let's hope the government read the report and act on it

TheignT · 26/07/2026 12:32

Oliwiaa · 26/07/2026 12:30

I don't think any non-violent offenders should be in prison, it causes more problems than it solves.

Fines, community service, mental health treatment, house arrest etc

Exactly.

BettyFilous · 26/07/2026 12:31

KnickerlessParsons · 26/07/2026 12:06

What a great idea.

Isn’t the issue that there aren’t many women’s prisons so women tend to be imprisoned at distance from their home base? This makes it harder to sustain family visits and contact with their children. Yes, I’d rather keep dangerous male offenders in prison to serve their full term. However, for women who do need to be in prison there are unintended adverse impacts for them and their children.

happydappy2 · 26/07/2026 12:31

I do agree that if males are being considered for early release, then females should also be-otherwise that is deeply sexist. I imagine the staff who work in a female prison might not want to work with male inmates though...we simply need more prisons and possibly more mental asylums...

MissMoneyFairy · 26/07/2026 12:31

Why not repurpose disused barracks, detention centres, you'll end up with shared sex prisons, you can't just empty a womens prison to house men, where will those women prisoners go. We need more prison spaces for men and women, both are overcrowded and some not fit for purpose.

Oliwiaa · 26/07/2026 12:30

I don't think any non-violent offenders should be in prison, it causes more problems than it solves.

Fines, community service, mental health treatment, house arrest etc

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