Active discussions

Help protect children from gaming harms.

Take our survey

Please or to access all these features

Talk
Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Feminism: chat

Original poster

NHS England interim trans policy

34 replies

Motnight · 24/07/2026 08:47

NHS England has finally (I think yesterday) published "Interim changes to our Trans Equality Policy and Procedures". It states that "whilst we develop an updated policy, trans colleagues should use single sex facilities of their biological sex or a single lockable facility".

This seems like a big step forwards on ensuring safe spaces for biological women. I hope that I am right!

OP posts:
New posts on this thread. Refresh page
GrumpyPanda · 25/07/2026 15:12

MashaPav · 25/07/2026 08:36

And yet there’s no evidence that trans women are a threat to women in toilets. No one enters your toilet cubicle it gets locked, simple right? We need to go gender neutral to end this nonsense.

Edited

Bet you'd enjoy having men piss all over the seat and floor. You sound like you've never been on an intercontinental flight where unisex accommodation can be experienced in all its glories

Keeptoiletssafe · 25/07/2026 14:55

Of course microbiologists aren’t that keen about unisex toilets in hospitals. I think having the toilet flush dump its plume over the sink and dryer in a self contained mixed sex toilet isn’t that great. There’s another microbiologist I follow who swabs hand dryers in toilets. Her results are quite alarming.
https://salus.global/article-show/pathogen-findings-raise-concerns-about-move-to-unisex-hospital-facilities

SALUS - Article - Pathogen findings raise concerns about move to unisex hospital facilities

https://salus.global/article-show/pathogen-findings-raise-concerns-about-move-to-unisex-hospital-facilities

parachutegirl · 25/07/2026 12:50

ItsCoolForCats · 24/07/2026 09:02

This does seem positive, but why is it interim? It is clear what they need to do to be compliant with the law.

Maybe they’re just breaking them in gently.

Datun · 25/07/2026 08:51

poppsocks · 25/07/2026 08:50

I do actually wonder what the average member of the public thinks when they've been told it's so incredibly complicated that the best legal bods need to work on it for years, then they see... this

Show quote history

💯

poppsocks · 25/07/2026 08:50

poppsocks · 25/07/2026 08:35

trans colleagues should use single sex facilities of their biological sex or a single lockable facility

Gosh, that takes a lot of thinking about - they are right to say how complex and complicated it is... I can see why it's taken so long to draft with all those subtleties.

I do actually wonder what the average member of the public thinks when they've been told it's so incredibly complicated that the best legal bods need to work on it for years, then they see... this

SodThisHeadache · 25/07/2026 08:49

Yes, he is not one of the finest minds they send here to school us

Datun · 25/07/2026 08:49

poppsocks · 25/07/2026 08:35

trans colleagues should use single sex facilities of their biological sex or a single lockable facility

Gosh, that takes a lot of thinking about - they are right to say how complex and complicated it is... I can see why it's taken so long to draft with all those subtleties.

IKR?

All that wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Men in the men's, women in the women's. (That includes you MashaPav.)

poppsocks · 25/07/2026 08:48

SodThisHeadache · 25/07/2026 08:46

I honestly wouldn't engage with him. His intention is to derail the thread and he's a frequent flyer so it has happened a lot.

Show quote history

Fair enough! They seem pretty clueless about it all as they've made two embarrassing mistakes in one post!

Good to discuss with people who are clued up.

SodThisHeadache · 25/07/2026 08:46

RoundedRobin · 25/07/2026 08:44

Regardless of whether this is true or not (spoiler alert, it isn't), the policy refers to all facilities. The trans rights brigade focus is always on toilets because it's seen as something that can be trivialised.

Show quote history

I honestly wouldn't engage with him. His intention is to derail the thread and he's a frequent flyer so it has happened a lot.

mrshoho · 25/07/2026 08:46

MashaPav · 25/07/2026 08:36

And yet there’s no evidence that trans women are a threat to women in toilets. No one enters your toilet cubicle it gets locked, simple right? We need to go gender neutral to end this nonsense.

Edited

It's about safety for women and children but it's also about dignity and rights in the workplace. The law is the law. Also, single sex spaces are not just about toilets.

SodThisHeadache · 25/07/2026 08:44

poppsocks · 25/07/2026 08:43

There is evidence of horrible assaults committed by TW in toilets. We really should avoid dishonesty when taking about this.

And it's also about dignity and privacy.

Female toilets already are for all genders, as are male toilets. They are single SEX, not gender.

Show quote history

I honesty wouldn't engage with him

RoundedRobin · 25/07/2026 08:44

MashaPav · 25/07/2026 08:36

And yet there’s no evidence that trans women are a threat to women in toilets. No one enters your toilet cubicle it gets locked, simple right? We need to go gender neutral to end this nonsense.

Edited

Regardless of whether this is true or not (spoiler alert, it isn't), the policy refers to all facilities. The trans rights brigade focus is always on toilets because it's seen as something that can be trivialised.

SodThisHeadache · 25/07/2026 08:43

Step in the right direction (who knew stating the patently bleedin' obvious would have taken a decade) but the interim bit is a bit worrying - let's give the TRAs a nice long run-up to create a big old whinge.

poppsocks · 25/07/2026 08:43

MashaPav · 25/07/2026 08:36

And yet there’s no evidence that trans women are a threat to women in toilets. No one enters your toilet cubicle it gets locked, simple right? We need to go gender neutral to end this nonsense.

Edited

There is evidence of horrible assaults committed by TW in toilets. We really should avoid dishonesty when taking about this.

And it's also about dignity and privacy.

Female toilets already are for all genders, as are male toilets. They are single SEX, not gender.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 25/07/2026 08:42

MashaPav · 25/07/2026 08:36

And yet there’s no evidence that trans women are a threat to women in toilets. No one enters your toilet cubicle it gets locked, simple right? We need to go gender neutral to end this nonsense.

Edited

And yet there’s no evidence that trans women are a threat to women in toilets.

There is abundant evidence that men are a threat to women. Transwomen are men so need to keep out of the Ladies. Even if they weren't a threat they still need to keep out of the Ladies for reasons of privacy, propriety & dignity.

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 25/07/2026 08:41

PollyNomial · 25/07/2026 08:37

That's not the same policy.

Show quote history

Never said it was. I said NHSE policies don’t just cover staff, as you suggested, they also cover patients, as can be seen in the policy I linked above.

PollyNomial · 25/07/2026 08:37

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 25/07/2026 08:33

Archive link:

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20251006050906/www.england.nhs.uk/long-read/delivering-same-sex-accommodation/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/web/20251006050906/www.england.nhs.uk/long-read/delivering-same-sex-accommodation/

Show quote history

That's not the same policy.

MashaPav · 25/07/2026 08:36

And yet there’s no evidence that trans women are a threat to women in toilets. No one enters your toilet cubicle it gets locked, simple right? We need to go gender neutral to end this nonsense.

poppsocks · 25/07/2026 08:35

trans colleagues should use single sex facilities of their biological sex or a single lockable facility

Gosh, that takes a lot of thinking about - they are right to say how complex and complicated it is... I can see why it's taken so long to draft with all those subtleties.

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 25/07/2026 08:33

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 25/07/2026 08:32

That may be the case, but their previous trans policy document included instructions on how to deal with both trans staff and trans patients.

Show quote history

Archive link:

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20251006050906/www.england.nhs.uk/long-read/delivering-same-sex-accommodation/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/web/20251006050906/www.england.nhs.uk/long-read/delivering-same-sex-accommodation/

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 25/07/2026 08:32

PollyNomial · 25/07/2026 08:31

NHS England is an administrative, tech, policy organisation. It doesn't treat patients.

Show quote history

That may be the case, but their previous trans policy document included instructions on how to deal with both trans staff and trans patients.

PollyNomial · 25/07/2026 08:32

ItsCoolForCats · 24/07/2026 09:02

This does seem positive, but why is it interim? It is clear what they need to do to be compliant with the law.

Because it's planned to be abolished and folded into DHSC.

PollyNomial · 25/07/2026 08:31

Whatchamacallitt · 24/07/2026 09:37

I wonder whether this will apply to patients too and single sex wards and facilities for patients.

NHS England is an administrative, tech, policy organisation. It doesn't treat patients.

mrshoho · 24/07/2026 11:27

Thanks, this is progress (and arse covering). The SC ruling is starting to slowly filter through. Legal departments are finally starting to understand the law!

Wishitsnows · 24/07/2026 09:46

Finally a step in the right direction. Surprised they actually managed to use the word sex and not gender too.

Swipe left for the next trending thread