Should access to mental health services depend on you saying pronouns?

Honestly to ordinary women this rhetoric is sounding as mad as the non violent trans stuff.

"Forcing someone to choose pronouns" is exactly the same as "forcing the supplier of the service to allocate a pronoun which the customer may not want".

I don't believe anyone is being prevented from accessing mental health care by being asked how they want somebody else to refer to them. They're preventing themselves from accessing that help on the basis of a principle (that nobody male should have their wish to be addressed as"she" acceded to) which is not a hill worth dying on.

Because the implication of choice implies a judgement of identity by either myself or others.

I don't like being forced to choose between honorifics either, and I don't like being asked about my sex when it is irrelevant. From my own point of view that is just bog standard feminism.

I have explained in other posts why I believe it is also inappropriate to force this choice on people who are in a fragile mental state.

Yes. That is what we normally do.

"valuable mental health support."

But is it, if they can't see that forcing somebody to choose pronouns when they are in a fragile mental state is a barrier to entry?

You very definitely are allowing a point of principle to prevent you accessing what should be valuable mental health support.

It's it better to guess and use pronouns they don't want used?

If don't see how it raises questions about quality of support to be asked how you want others to refer to you.

Indeed. Depressingly, this point is more likely to have an impact than a woman complaining.

I wonder why.

Well done - direct action!
And yes to challenging the NHS every bloody time they come up with this nonsense.

It also seems cruel to force somebody to declare pronouns if they are struggling with gender dysphoria.

I mean I didn't swear.

I've submitted something akin to the following on your behalf, OP.

'People with gender critical beliefs often do not wish to participate in sharing pronouns. This is part of their gender critical belief, and is protected under the Equality Act 2010.

Forcing someone to declare their pronouns could be discrimination.

There should be an option to decline to answer this question.

This could find you in a position of discriminating against someone wth gender critical beliefs. Perhaps more importantly, it has prevented someone from accessing healthcare.

The form should be updated to cater for those with gender critical beliefs, and/or people who do not wish to declare their pronouns. '

The NHS needs to serve everyone, including people with 'gc beliefs'. They are going to have to be taken through this process every fucking last step of the way, it seems. They've bent over backwards to cater for people with gender incongruent beliefs/views/feelings, they can fucking well give women who don't buy into gender the same respect.

I spat my dummy out with the local council a few years ago. I was probably ringing up about a missed bin collection and they wouldn't log the call until I told them whether I was a Miss or a Mrs. I explained that I don't use either, I just like being called by my first name. They said it wouldn't go on to the next screen without a title, so I said, "fine, it's Ms". That wasn't an option. So I said, "Ok, Mr". We ended up having a bit of a strong disagreement because she said I was being rude and ridiculous and I said that I wasn't defined by my marriage status and 'Mr' was as appropriate to me as any of the other options.

Sometimes you just come up against a line in the sand.

The 'I prefer not to answer' does not really work for me.

I need a 'don't ask me this question again' option

Ugh. I would be similarly frustrated.

@Whatisthisdamnednonsense

Not sure how to take your unbelievable but please try to use the chatbot yourself.

https://www.mktalkingtherapies.nhs.uk/self-referral

It does have 'I prefer not to answer', but not for the next question which is 'what is your pronouns' - there's no option for that.

I don't think those questions should be the first questions you are asked in this situation.

The rest of the NHS simply asks 'what was your sex at birth' - because that is what is important to know.

Have followed the link and and I'm having difficulty following the logic of the questionnaire.

It first asks for title and then preferred pronouns, with about 10 different options (but not 'don't want to say')

If somebody is choosing 'Mr', why would they then be choosing e.g. 'Zie' as a pronoun? If we think they are going to be that left field, why not just give them the option to fill in their own preferred pronouns?

The questionnaire asks whether the anonymised data can be used for research, and I wonder whether that is the point of the question?

Unbelievable

Exactly

Did you not get an "I prefer not to say" option?

Had this with talk therapy self referral by chatbot.

'What is your gender identity'
'Does it match your sex at birth'

It is an assumption of belief in gender ideology I don't have a gender identity and think it is a dangerous and harmful ideology.

There is no way to opt out of it.

There is no way to protest it

It is preventing people from using the services, it is a barrier that should not be there.

It is the same as insisting on a religion and not allowing 'no religion' as an option.