STOP MIS GENDERING ME JUST SAY SHE

Oh for the love all that's holy, just read some books.

Or listen to some podcasts.

I'm cringing inside out for you right now. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Indeed. Not sure pp realises that.

It doesn’t matter whether they consider themselves trans or anything else. It’s about sex. Men should not be accessing spaces just for women. It’s not morally right to violate women’s boundaries and people who enable it are not good people. It’s not legal to harass women.

If you really want to help your trans friends, the absolute best thing you can do for them is stop giving them the idea that everyone else supports their beliefs. Because it’s a hard comedown for them when they realise that the vast majority of people do not.

Why bother with your shite? Well I care about women's rights. And I'm a bit bored, and I'm finding you slightly amusing.

And again you can misrepresent lie about the law, the feminist belief's of the posters here and our arguments, but you are just screaming into a void.

The law is clear, trans identified men are male and do not belong in female single sex spaces. Where necessary, women will continue to take employers, service providers and so on to court where they will continue to win their cases, because both the moral and legal position supports us.

Women have rights, trans identified men do not get to run roughshod over those rights. Women are allowed to say "that is a man/he/him" etc because our stance is both scientific and Worthy Of Respect In A Democratic Society (or WORIADS) as outlined by the Maya Forstater judgement.

Trans identified men will just have to live with that! It's just a fact of living a life in the 2020s.. women have rights whether you accept it or not. Whole point of my posts 😂

Your exchange could only have been made better by adding a sneery "so there!", giving it "nyer ner ne nyer ner!", and sticking your metaphorical tongue out at me.

Like I said, slightly amusing.

Yes, the second that poster avoided pronouns for the blue-wigged dude they would have been denounced as a bigot.

You can’t gate-keep these things, apparently.

Anyway as pp have pointed out, many trans rights activists would put you in the unspeakable bigot box with us, they’re not very nuanced.

Nobody outs themselves" for any reason, it's mumsnet for heavens sake JK!! It's nothing to do with "people like me"

Sandie Peggie and the Darlington nurses mysteriously knew “Beth” and “Rose” were men.

But all the problems have been caused by people seeing obvious men in women’s spaces.

Hardly any of them pass as women IRL, pull the other one. Why do you think zero of these men in the public eye do? If they genuinely did, they’d be able to sneak into our spaces without anyone knowing, wouldn’t they? And no I wouldn’t want them there, but no one would be aware.

Thank you

Did it? I was being ironic. Not overly bothered what you think but thanks for your observation. Why bother commenting on my shite. That makes YOU look like you actually care what I'm saying, you know that right? Just move on and speak with someone more deserving of your superior attention.

Obviously some trans people DO pass as women.. whether you like it or not (.. you could be peeing in the next cubicle to them in the ladies.. and you just gotta live with that! It's just a fact of living a life in the 2020s.. some people are trans whether you accept it or not. Whole point of my posts)

Aaah earworm! Dum de dum de dum de dumpty... If I only had a brain!

TRAs really do love their straw men Scarecrow though!

So do all your fringe gender beliefs.

They don’t have this right and you and they have no right to expect it from people who don’t believe in your ideology.

Yep got it!

Taking your comments on that snapshot in time, as you saw it, as depicted in that video, about that person (jeso breathe before you pass out!), even taking into account that you may have been incorrect about them...

By your own measure what you said means that you yourself were being prejudicial, abusive and acting illegally. Weren't you? Or is it only prejudice, abuse and illegal when we do it?

And again, just to point out the Award for Self Defeating Beliefs goes to you because like I said, for your sex realist beliefs the TRAs would be condemning you as transphobic at best, you do know that right?

But you agree with him that he’s a woman?

Or can men only be women if they aren’t mentally unwell? Because that would be considered a highly transphobic view.

Irony didn't come across. It just makes you look like an unserious person who is just attempting to goad. It makes you look really silly. "Nah! Just joking" 🙄what shite.

Correctly sexing men as male is not abusive, morally or legally.

No. I think female only spaces should be protected but I'm just repeating myself now. Non gendered spaces would probably work best for those that wish to use them

But you look at him and see “woman” because he says so?

Which trans people? You can tell them apart from the fetishists, voyeurs and sex pests? How do you frame that in law and policy that only allow the 'right' ones access to what you call gendered spaces? Be honest you can't, can you?
Or are you saying the harm to women is less important than allowing all men who claim to be women access to female spaces? We take the opposite view, that is, barring all males from spaces where women and girls are vulnerable is the only way to ensure safety. These positions are irreconcilable.

I was just commenting on the snapshot in time, as I saw it, as depicting with that video, about that person. I may be incorrect about them. They appear unwell. People can say what they like about what I apparently think and am. They certainly have in this thread.

So you think the blue-wigged tantrumy dude IS a woman, and you’d welcome him into your private spaces as such?

And be fine with him changing next to your daughter and providing same-sex care for vulnerable female relatives?

Nah I was being ironic. It's nearly midnight here.

My belief is that if you really and truly identify as a gender then you should be that.. and you should be able to do so without being subjected to abuse

By admitting that, you yourself are being prejudicial, abusive and acting illegally. At least by your own measure. Aren't you?

For your sex realist beliefs the TRAs would be condemning you as transphobic at best, you do know that right?

Really Trans Rights Activism is just Men's Rights Activism (or sheer bloody entitlement) on steroids under a different name.