STOP MIS GENDERING ME JUST SAY SHE

Hi there. Why do you think this man and the many others like him should be in women’s spaces, exactly? I think you have said on other threads that you support “trans rights” including the “right” of so called “trans women” (men) to access women’s spaces, no? Do you expect women and girls to walk on eggshells around highly volatile and unstable men like this? Do you understand that they are at least if not more vulnerable in an altercation with a large adult male? If that’s not your view, I apologise.

It reminds me of the paedophile prisoner who became aggressive and racist when he overheard nurse Jennifer Melle refer to him as 'she' in her telephone conversation with a Dr to discuss his discharge. It was vital she tell the Dr his sex because discharge would involve the Dr removing a catheter via his penis.

She wasn't out of control (which doesn't mean she isn't autistic). I've seen autistic meltdown and you can't switch it on and off like that. She was trying to manipulate a situation by using her trans characteristics because they have protected status. But she has been allowed to believe that because she is protected for being trans, she is also protected for behaving unreaonably. It's quite possible that she's both a prick and a trans woman.

The only one I saw mis-gendering was the man arrested (27 years old!!!), he was mis-gendering himself. Police should’ve acted faster.
Autistic or not, other people shouldn’t be afraid of his behaviour or have to put up with it.
He needs to spend some time in a mental health unit after any prison time. (Assuming he has some prison time).

People had no problem mocking the absurdity and entitlement of Rachel Dolezal

To be CIS i think she needs to demonstrate feminine qualities, so is multi murder particularly feminine?

Maybe she is trans then?

Agree with this.

And to the pp saying police exacerbated the situation - if I'm a professional law enforcer, being recorded, then you bet I'll speak MY truth and not someone else's delusion!

I'm as GC as they come but I think the police could easily have deescalated this and I don't mean by calling him a her. This man may be autistic, may be mentally unwell, may be a narcissist but definitely doesn't need all this attention given to him. 'I'm dealing with a stolen car right now, you need to report the abusive behaviour to the university'. Then move on and ignore. Only if he followed and escalated did it need taking further than that.

It's like the police want to engage with him and that's just feeding and fueling his desperation for attention IMO. I appreciate he may be an easy win over trying to find who stole the car but really, what's the point? Nothing is likely to come of it and it just makes him feel more of a victim, more marginalised and more likely to be driven to extremes.

Pure performance for attention. Look at me, look at me.

It's all just so exhausting that we've given seriously mentally unwell people such a platform.

Exactly. Why are people ignoring this aspect?

Sometimes people don't have autism or a mental heath problem, they're just arseholes.

Oh dear.

RTFT. This is a publicly available clip that is released un the name of transparency over police action.

I am no fan of the police but this bodycam us somewhat reassuring that they don't all instantly resort to bodyslamming someone to the ground or shoiting them.

This kind of clip helps when women say "no" to trans identified men in their spaces. It counters all the "but all my trans friends are gentle souls who completely pass and wouldn't hurt a fly". People can judge for themselves.

I didn't see laughter on the thread. I saw a lot of different concerns. Many for the individual throwing a spectacular tantrum.

We are allowed to speak of these things.

I agree with a lot of this.

As people who live in society, we all need to learn to manage ourselves within that - and that includes people who find it difficult. What we see here is totally unacceptable behaviour, we cannot have adults throwing full blown temper tantrums in public like this. I also agree that a cultural of affirmation has built this person's expectations.

What's odd is all transwoman are lovely

None of the other posters here are laughing at the screaming, manipulative foot stamper and the situation he created, but I am.
The weary, resigned faces of all the workers around him; the pissed-off police; the dialogue! It's priceless! A perfect illustration of the cult of gender identity and the ordinary service workers expected to submit to it or undergo social death. May this video never leave the internet.

Dismissing him as an attention seeker, attributing it all to a performance, not buying the excuses offered up, none of that is laughing at him. It's a comment on the antisocial element of his tantrum, when does bad behaviour stop and mental health issues start. If we start claiming every outburst from every person is down to mental health, we might as well say being mental is the norm.

The op didn’t ‘obtain’ the footage in some nefarious way! It’s all over the internet and in some online newspapers. I don’t think anyone is laughing- but it is an issue that needs discussing- how are situations like this best managed and avoided? Did the police manage it correctly? What policies do public spaces need? We have no evidence as to wether the person is mentally ill, my guess is not, but either way this kind of behaviour can’t just be ignored - it’s frightening.

I wonder what the police response would have been if this had happened in the UK. I'm not sure the police response in the video to what is clearly a mentally unwell person is the most appropriate one.

I think the video does illustrate something we already know, which is that trans identification, a history of mental illness and autism are often co-morbid.

It's really sad that people like this are told the solution to their problems is transition when it doesnt help and may actually make them worse. The police had possibly come across him before but maybe just got his name from the university staff. They really tried hard to get him secured so he couldnt harm anyone and then take him off to get help. They couldnt do that without his co-operation.

It's here because it illustrates that it isnt safe for these men to be around women. They need proper psychiatric help, not affirmation.

Comments are not mocking him, just noting that this is a child like temper tantrum.

(Sirry a derail)

Why do this? You said what you said. The rule of editing is not making a major change to the post.

So what us this?

Excellent post. That person was clearly very unwell, and the situation wasn't really about trans, it was about mental illness. I'm very uncomfortable about the tone of many posts.

Yes, it was a horrible situation for those witnessing it, but this was a person in a mental health crisis.

Mumsnet has sunk to new depths today.
@RogueFemale you've obtained footage of a highly distressed individual and posted it without their consent. You've then used it as a platform for anti-trans views. People have then pitched in, some blaming autism for the person's behaviour, others saying autism isn't an excuse. All of which is missing the actual point: THIS PERSON IS UNWELL. They don't need mockery or criticism. They need gentleness and support and treatment to help them regulate their emotions.
Shame on everybody who has used this to have yet another go at trans people.

@Taytoface ’us lot’? I’m not laughing at this young man. Most posters are not laughing at him. It’d help to read the thread before generalising.

The mockery was a man with blue hair insisting on being called she.

This is what happens when reality comes up against delusional beliefs...Reality will win.

Too much internet exposure and very much a first world problem.

I don't like this. This person is clearly unwell. Yes, he has likely been conditioned to have off the scale levels of entitlement around his demands of the world to see his clearly male from as a female, but imagine if this was a video where gender identity didn't factor. It's just someone likely mentally unwell, maybe neurodiverse, being confronted by a cop who really could have handled it better, having a total breakdown. And you lot laughing at him.