STOP MIS GENDERING ME JUST SAY SHE

And a man who may be considered more vulnerable than other men does NOT mean he is more vulnerable than women.

Bluntly, this man could seriously injure a woman very easily, and is clearly disinhibited, disordered, and aggressive.

This isn't about an individual man though is it?

It's about there being multiple videos of very similar reactions from other trans identifying men.

This is why women are not challenging these men and yet it held against us as quite acceptance because we don't say anything when we feel threatened or uncomfortable.

This is why videos like this are being shared too. We have to make a point about this.

This is just one such clip in a sea of similar ones unfortunately.

A woman would not have gone mad at being called she. And therein lies the heart of the problem. If someone looks and acts like a man we will naturally call them he. The idea that the police have to ask for and respect pronouns when they turn up at a live incident is beyond bonkers. Theres a bloke with a firearm threatening people but we have to check his bloody pronouns before we even address the situation is just the height of over privileged out of touchness. The enablement is largely driven by people who don't deal with these fronts line conflict points and the recipients of this behaviour are inevitably most likely to be more vulnerable and less affluent and influential women, children and other vulnerable groups.

That's then entire point. And problem.

And why gender critical movements established at grass roots in the first fucking place - because there isn't the appropriate support and understanding of autism, mental health and trauma at the most basic grassroots levels. Instead the ideology sought to brush away any possible discussion or support along these lines as 'bigoted' and 'prejudiced'.

It's fucked up beyond words.

'Vulnerable' does not equal 'harmless'

'Marginalised' does not equal 'not a risk'

That poor guy, society has done a number on him. He thinks that his problems are centred around his gender dysphoria, when he is clearly mentally ill. The problem is there are lots more like him, and I dont want to meet them in the bathroom, pool changing rooms,or the gym.

I agree with a lot of what you say. I think some people with their virtue signalling ought to consider that other people are also vulnerable and a woman or girl in an altercation with a violent man is 99 times out of 100 going to come off worse. No one should be telling this man he can be a woman.

Given so many offenders and criminals have personality disorders, most police should be familiar with how to deal with it.

I'm not saying its easy.

But there needs to be training and awareness.

One terrifying consequence of creating the sacred caste of 'trans' is that police training has reportedly stopped teaching police about the profile of fetishistic paraphilia. Police are no longer taught about paraphilias.

Gaps in knowledge due to political creation of sacred castes causes real risk and danger.

Diana Alastair on X talks about how this part of her training, as a homicide cop in the US, was removed.

How do women know which one will totally lose it and which one won't?

On the privacy issue, I looked into how easy it was to obtain video cam footage or police interview footage and in some USA states even I as a foreign civilian can easily obtain such material if I just pay the admin fee. They'd argue it was to be transparent but I prefer the model here and Europe as I wouldn't want anyone to just get such material of me if I ever had the misfortune to end up filmed by the police.

I also agree with those saying that the police officer could have tried to deescalate more.

@selffellatingouroborosofhateits on the full video on YouTube

I think some posters are finding it awfully inconvenient for their belief system to see what happens when some of these men are told “no”, as this man might be if he tried to use a woman only space.

Agree it makes me really uncomfortable seeing someone like this on display to the world in a clearly totally disregulated state. He's like to have some or all of autism, metal illness, some kind of abuse or trauma, being gay, and/or having been let down by adults in his life as a starting point, and then been encouraged to think he's a girl and obviously been drawn to an ideology where he gets to call the shots and no one is allowed to upset him.

As you say his problems should have been treated entirely differently with therapy to help him come to terms with who he is and whatever difficulties he faces.

His behaviour is entitled and dramatic and of course he shouldn't be in any space, category or provision that is for females. And no one should be forced to mis-sex him. That should be a given and perfectly normal, not a cause for a meltdown. The fact that it is lies at the feet of all the enabling parents, teachers, doctors, institutions and governments who have themselves been totally misled.

I agree with PPs people like this shouldn't be ridiculed or mocked. Many, many people with comorbid conditions have been led into trans as some kind of answer to everything and made to think they must never be challenged. Many are mentally ill, for many transitioning makes this worse, and many will come out the other end and need a lot of support.

Agreed.

Unhinged male aggression and male strength (look at how 2 fully grown men struggled to get him down to the point they had to pull the taser out!)

And there are people out there who would say he's just a delicate little flower, we all just need to be kinder and shut up, and then he'll be perfectly safe to be in female only spaces! With young women who wouldn't stand a bloody chance if he decided to turn on them.

Fuck that!!!!

Where's the 'hatred'?

It's clear to just about everyone this is a vulnerable man.

It's also clear that this man would be a risk, and frankly terrifying, to women in women's spaces.

Yet we are told that we must accept and cherish and celebrate including such men in women's services, spaces, etc.

Perfectly put @RedToothBrush

"It's all the promises and enabling of a fantasy that is directly at odds with the reality and legal issues that it creates that the issue.
The video is a visual representation of all that's gone wrong. And we are supposed to ignore it and pretend everything is fine when it's quite clearly not."

This unwell, dysregulated man will be in the toilets with girls and women. I reckon some public shaming is required to stop this erosion of boundaries.

Yes. From personal anecdotal experience I think that’s sometimes the case.

'Between a half and two-thirds of prisoners have a personality disorder1. Their
management often creates considerable challenges for the Probation and Prison Services. This guidance provides advice relating to personality disordered offenders who present a high or very high risk of serious harm to others and may require specialist treatment to meet their complex needs. A range of interventions are currently available for men and women through the Dangerous and Severe Personality Disorder (DSPD) Programme (300 places), Democratic Therapeutic Communities (TCs) in Prisons (538 places) and the NHS.'

PC21/2008 – MANAGING HIGH RISK OF
SERIOUS HARM OFFENDERS WITH SEVERE
PERSONALITY DISORDER - National Probation Service

That is an older document, but the stats I imagine are roughly the same.

Great post.

You appear to have diagnosed him as “mentally ill“ based on him having a tantrum when challenged. What if he wasn’t, but realised if he every time threw a tantrum he’d get what he wanted? And it’s very obvious why you won’t discuss whether a group of men, including a not inconsiderable number of men like this, should be in women’s spaces with women and girls, because you know you can’t back it up.

This clip has gone viral for whatever reason.

This behaviour and the issues it raises are something that is causing problems within our society.

As I said in my previous comment that is partly a consequence of the actions of others which over can have ultimately encouraged and enabled it.

We SHOULD be talking about this. It's something that is uncomfortable to watch. I think there are a lot of comments here which ARE NOT remotely laughing at the individual. And the criticism ISN'T personal. It's about a wider problem which, quite frankly, has been caused by allies and a failure to talk about this.

I have said for many years now we should not be focused on identity. We should be focused on behaviours. Identity politics creates blind spots to unacceptable and antisocial behaviour which, as a society we should be acknowledging and working together to deal with.

This involves having uncomfortable and difficult conversations which may be controversial and we may not enjoy. Or feature views and opinions which we don't like. Because it is FAR more unhealthy NOT to talk about them.

The root of the riff with my brother was never about his identity. It's about what his identity enabled him to do and how this was unacceptable and harmed others in his immediate radius. Yet as someone who said "this isn't ok" I was the villain. Even my own mother who was so so supportive and affirmative said his behaviour was unacceptable but I should just suck it up because he now had special status.

The support that people who ultimately get into his situation with IS the problem. It's all the promises and enabling of a fantasy that is directly at odds with the reality and legal issues that it creates that the issue.

The video is a visual representation of all that's gone wrong. And we are supposed to ignore it and pretend everything is fine when it's quite clearly not.

The people who have been most harmed by affirmations and untruths are not just women and gay people. It very much is the case that it's those who identify as trans themselves.

As I say regularly, if I had a magic wand which could change peoples sex I would wave it. But I suspect this wouldnt solve the problems that so many face anyway. Because trans presentation is far too often the symptom rather than the cause of their personal issues.

It's about time we had these honest conversations about the whole damn thing because without it, the only outcome is lots more people harmed. It's not ok.

You're conflating two issues. Trans and mental health.

I'm not getting into a discussion about the first. But the 2nd, yes. Get the individual help with their mental health.

It's possible/likely he is not 'crazy' in that he may well not have a mental illness.

More likely he has personality disorder or disorders, and also be neurodivergent.

May be worth considering whether 'affirming' a personality disorder actually exacerbates it.

I'm not in any way an expert on autism or transgender issues, but your post intrigued me from a statistical perspective,

The prevalence of autism in the general population is thought to be between 1 and 3 percent. Someone identifying as transgender seems to be between 3 and 6 times more likely to be autistic than the general population, giving a top level of 18% of the transgender population being on the spectrum. So still much less likely to be be ND than not.

The meltdown filmed may well be an indicator of potential autism - or it may not.

I watched this with no amusement; horror, sympathy (for him, for the police, for the staff), and I have no clue how this could have been handled better. The video is taken for the protection of police and of the young man. Its release is to document the process of justice in the community. Some viewers will laugh, some will cry; nobody has any ability to control how viewers react to it

This with bells on. I said to my BIL that I was going to identify as Yusain Bolt from now on ( I'm a white ,61 year old woman who's 5'4 and has no athletic ability). He laughed. I pointed out that, if a man in pink lycra joined BILs cycling club and called himself Ruth they'd all be falling over themselves to acknowledge 'her'. Its every bit the same level of nonsense as me veing a black athlete.

Who is mocking?

This man is obviously vulnerable. That doesn't preclude him from being a gigantic pain in the arse and presenting difficulty for the rest of society.

The creation of a sacred caste that is not held accountable is helping nobody, least of all vulnerable people demanding the impossible.