STOP MIS GENDERING ME JUST SAY SHE

Arguably we couldn’t make the decision to avoid him if he was in front of the door when we came out of the toilet or changing rooms. And that’s the problem. He’s been encouraged to think that everyone sees him as a woman. They don’t.

I don’t know anyone who is autistic and trans. My circle of people with ASD is large

I strongly agree. One of my adult children has a LD and over the past 30 years throughout special schools, daycentres and many groups and activities there are a huge number of his peers who have autism. As parents we are obviously heavily involved. Not one single autistic person I know identifies as trans.

This post has very little to do with gender identity and everything to do with a seriously unwell person in meltdown. Why on earth would you be anything other than kind to someone in mental health crisis? Do you think shouting at someone that they are a boy is going to help? It clearly didn't help in this situation. The whole thing was needlessly escalated and needed mental health intervention.

It's nice of you to call it an obsession.

Again this is privilege.

I don't have the privilege of it being something that just passed my life by.

Why? Because of the impact on my family, my own self worth and self esteem and the pressure put on me regarding my brother's behaviour.

And now I find myself in a situation where a couple of my best friends are going through their own family issues and trauma over the same thing.

It's impact is profound on every family I've known it to touch. So much of it is unspoken and taboo.

This is just one scenario.

There's plenty of others where it is a day to day problem for people. Sandy Peggie or some nurses in Darlington could probably fill you in on the details a bit in terms of their experiences.

"I'm alright Jack" with the slur of calling it an "obsession" says way more about you than anyone here on MN who talks about the subject.

Good to know you’re not really interested in understanding why your ideology puts women at risk of violence from men.

It's like having a box of maltesers where 2 have been injected with poison. How would you know which ones were safe to eat? Ergo, allowing men into women's spaces, how do we know which of them are safe to be around and which aren't safe to be around? Clearly we don't know and often many of us take those risks. This guy in the video is wearing his aggression very clearly so we can easily make the choice to avoid him...not so easy in many other cases/situations.

Why are you using misogynistic slurs about women who understand what sex is?

I want the police everywhere to have body cams on. Footage automatically uploaded to a vloud storage that only the judiciary have access to.

And that "footage lost" and "camera not working" are seen as trying to pervert the course of justice

I think some people are struggling with the video because it shows so clearly that it isn't 'kind' to let vulnerable men think they are women.

It's easy to repeat a mantra like 'transwomen are women'. It's not so easy to be confronted with the real-life consequences of repeating that lie.

It reminds me of the tragic situation where a 'kind' NHS worker who believed that 'transmen are men' put a transman on a male psych ward. The inmates immediately clocked that the transman was a woman and she was raped twice within an hour of being admitted.

Lying about sex is anything but 'kind'.

100% wrong. It's because the MN TERFs are obsessed while for me (and most other women) it's a passing, very slight, interest.

This is an excellent point

We need to have evidence that allowing men into women’s spaces and propping up their fantasy world that everyone will treat them as the women they are claiming to be increases the risk of violence to women. So there you go.

Yep. Women raise concerns about safety and the risk of violent men, get told it never happens. Women present evidence of said violent men, get told we shouldn't be showing it, it's someone who is clearly mentally unwell.

YES! Mentally unwell violent men, the exact ones women tried to raise concerns about and got poo-poohed and told didn't exist. Maybe if they believed women in the first place they wouldn't have to view the uncomfortable truth.

Because it is very uncomfortable. I'd be terrified to meet him in an enclosed private female space. And yet we're a bunch of meanies to point this out. He should be having safety and support apparently.

Well he can have safety and support till the cows come home, he very obviously needs it.

But what he CAN'T have, is access to women's spaces. We aren't the safety and support humans, there to foist mentally unwell men upon, so the rest of society can carry on with their heads in the sand while we deal with the shitshow - and he clearly needs professional help.

Its sad to have these incidences posted online for these mentally ill people and their families. But its important to shine a light on this stuff as so many people seem to still believe that the trans women they hear about and read about are gentle, feminine men who have had all the surgeries and are quietly living their lives using womens facilities unnoticed. If people are making decisions about rules and legislation around women only spaces they need to be fully aware of will be availing of them.

The actions & body language are those of a toddler rejecting his cutted up pear, He is literally jumping up & down in his anger!

Gay men have managed to tell women who identify as men that no, they don’t find them attractive and no, they don’t want them in gay male spaces. They have been called transphobic, bigots etc but they don’t care.

Yet somehow, even on this thread, threatening men with no self-regulation and no boundaries are calling themselves women and people are falling over themselves to “be kind”, make excuses, show compassion. Meaning that our daughters have to get changed next to this kind of low-life.

I have no issue with sharing it. Present the “be kind” crew with the consequences of their ideology. Remind them that these men are entering the private spaces of our daughters. Remind them that this is where their TWAW ends up.

More about Evie Amati:

“Ms Amati has pleaded not guilty to the axe attacks because she was mentally ill at the time.
The court heard Ms Amati met up with Mickila Jahnsen, who was 25 at the time, earlier that night.
They had connected on the dating app Tinder and then exchanged messages on Facebook.
Ms Amati went to her house in Marrickville where, in the company of Ms Jahnsen's friends, they drank vodka and each took the drug MDMA in preparation for going out, Ms Jahnsen said.
Ms Jahnsen told the court they were en route to the Burdekin Hotel in Darlinghurst, when Ms Amati "suddenly" stopped the car to get out.
"She seemed kinda mad, angry and I was confused why," Ms Jahnsen said.
Tinder date 'freaked out', 'blocked' AmatiThe court heard the pair then exchanged messages which started because Ms Jahnsen said she was concerned for Ms Amati's safety.
The court heard that in the message exchange, Ms Amati said she felt as though Ms Jahnsen thought she was "ugly" and she could tell she was not "attracted" to her.
Ms Jahnsen told the court the messages then escalated and Ms Amati called her a "sociopath" and said "people like you is what's wrong with the world".
"One day I'm going to kill a lot of people and it will be your fault," Ms Jahnsen said was in one of the messages.
"I freaked out and blocked her on Facebook," Ms Jahnsen told the court.
The last messages were sent an hour before the alleged attack.”

This man is obviously profoundly mentally unwell. Whatever is going on, simply bowing to his desire to be called ‘she’ is not going to make him well and affirmation has don’t nothing to help him and possibly made him worse. On a one to one basis I feel sorry for him.

that said, it’s obvious that he is a potential danger to others, and the thought of him in a single sex space for women is awful. It’s also a stunning example of why women don’t confront trans women in single sex spaces, imagine the consequences if they did? And this them makes the TIM think he passes rather than he has simply terrified the women into forced acceptance.

Update 19 January 2019: This story has been amended to clarify that Amati is transgender.

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https://www.instagram.com/p/DbGcT-EomDL/

Another one.

This huge, aggressive man is not rendered harmless to women by virtue of wearing a tartan skirt.

Here’s the BBC propping up the identity of a violent man who attacked random shoppers in a 7 11 with an axe. There are much more recent things I could cite, but I think the nature of this one is relevant.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-46914419

That was an uncomfortable watch. He's clearly very ill and he should've been escorted out, not threatened with pepper spray and a taser.

Yes I totally agree with this too. Trans-identifying people are often vulnerable, deluded, mentally ill and/or ND, and that is why I am not on board with mockery, insults, etc. I think gender ideology will blow over, as long as it's taking, and sane and gender-critical people will be the ones that those departing the sinking ship will be able to reach out to. Setting up emnity IMO stands in the way of that and makes unhappy, struggling trans-IDing people more entrenched. (This is partly about personal experience with a trans-IDing family member.)

However, given the situation we're in. absolutely some of these extremely angry, deluded people are dangerous, and the facts of sex mean that the males are way more dangerous abd likely to be violent and it's females in general who are at greater risk. (That also applies to trans-IDing females within these circles, who suffer a lot of sexual exploitation as well as a higher rate of physical harm from the related "treatments".)

Yep. How many times are we told, piously, that no man who calls himself trans has ever harmed a woman? That 'transwomen' present no threat to women.

So we have to share the fucking evidence, including, sometimes, women having to share their abuse history.

Uncomfortable, but there you fucking go.

I also don’t think videos should be posted of any members of the public - I’ve never been a fan of shaming or commenting on others via video. But apparently saying no to men isn’t enough, our lack of consent isn’t enough, our privacy and dignity and boundaries aren’t enough.

We need to have evidence that allowing men into women’s spaces and propping up their fantasy world that everyone will treat them as the women they are claiming to be increases the risk of violence to women. So there you go.

Yep. I'm not mocking this man. I found it distressing to watch the footage.

I also am very very clear that I do not want to be in a confined space with this man, who it took two grown policemen to subdue.