STOP MIS GENDERING ME JUST SAY SHE

I'm not quoting any laws. I'm not a lawyer. I'm quoting the definition of protected legal status on the context of people define themselves as trans and who are being subjected to prejudice because of it.

I'm not quoting any laws. I'm not a lawyer. I'm quoting the definition of protected legal status on the context of people define themselves as trans and who are being subjected to prejudice because of it.

Guys. Imagine you had a child. And like any loving mother or father, you cherished and adored that child and gave them everything you could and you were immensely proud of their loving caring ways and the open communication you had nurtured and created. And eventually, your child, with their individual permit that you had watched, with pride, evolve into a personality separate from you and their other parent but with so many of your qualities and features, and who had grown into a sensitive, clever, kind and somewhat anxious teen, opened their heart and told you the biggest source of their angst.. and it was that they really didn't identify with their own, born gender, they had always felt like this, gradually grown to understand it and found the concept of continuing through life in that gender unthinkable.. and they asked for your help, guidance and support, because that's what you'd always given them and they expected nothing less.

Imagine also that this teenager was your son. Would you really, honestly say, hell no.. you are a boy.. you were born a boy, you have a penis, you've always been a boy and you will grow into a man and you will live that well defined gender role. People will always call you he. You will never be she and I will never ever support you on trying to be anything other than male.. so do not expect this of me. You can expect people to shun you, deny your lived experience and feelings.. some will ridicule you and insist on calling you what you refer to as your 'dead gender'. As for be.. i agree with them.. I support their way of thinking.. You deserve this for daring to express what you are feeling which is so far from what I want for you.. and I cannot conceive of ever feeling any other way.

Is this what you would do? Is this what you would feel? Honestly? All you educated, articulate people of mumsnet?

I'm not quoting any laws. I'm not a lawyer. I'm quoting the definition of protected legal status on the context of people define themselves as trans and who are being subjected to prejudice because of it.

Which laws are you talking about?

I think the protective laws make it illegal to behave in a prejudicial way towards trans people. Obviously, I've been fact checking because you lot are good. Mean.. and it would seem somewhat inaccurate at times, .. anand sometimes outright wrong sometimes outright wrong, even whist being uber articulate. But good at expressing yourselves nonetheless . Having had what I have said twisted up like a pretzel, I do standby what I have been saying all along; that the protected characteristic nature of perceiving oneself as trans, does make it illegal for people to abuse you because of it.

I suspect you may be being rather near sighted when you consider the concept of your child's mental health and well-being.

@Ereshkigalangcleg .. no you cannot.. you absolutely cannot lawfully and legally do it. Not if they identify as female. Won't stop you of course. (That's where the prejudice comes in ). But it won't be lawful or legal.

Laughably you probably have referred to someone as she who you would not choose to, because they looked female and you didn't know the difference. 😂

Hope that helps.

Guys. Imagine you had a child. And like any loving mother or father, you cherished and adored that child and gave them everything you could and you were immensely proud of their loving caring ways and the open communication you had nurtured and created. And eventually, your child, with their individual permit that you had watched, with pride, evolve into a personality separate from you and their other parent but with so many of your qualities and features, and who had grown into a sensitive, clever, kind and somewhat anxious teen, opened their heart and told you the biggest source of their angst.. and it was that they really didn't identify with their own, born gender, they had always felt like this, gradually grown to understand it and found the concept of continuing through life in that gender unthinkable.. and they asked for your help, guidance and support, because that's what you'd always given them and they expected nothing less.

Imagine also that this teenager was your son. Would you really, honestly say, hell no.. you are a boy.. you were born a boy, you have a penis, you've always been a boy and you will grow into a man and you will live that well defined gender role. People will always call you he. You will never be she and I will never ever support you on trying to be anything other than male.. so do not expect this of me. You can expect people to shun you, deny your lived experience and feelings.. some will ridicule you and insist on calling you what you refer to as your 'dead gender'. As for be.. i agree with them.. I support their way of thinking.. You deserve this for daring to express what you are feeling which is so far from what I want for you.. and I cannot conceive of ever feeling any other way.

Is this what you would do? Is this what you would feel? Honestly? All you educated, articulate people of mumsnet?

I think the protective laws make it illegal to behave in a prejudicial way towards trans people. Obviously, I've been fact checking because you lot are good. Mean.. and it would seem somewhat inaccurate at times, .. anand sometimes outright wrong sometimes outright wrong, even whist being uber articulate. But good at expressing yourselves nonetheless . Having had what I have said twisted up like a pretzel, I do standby what I have been saying all along; that the protected characteristic nature of perceiving oneself as trans, does make it illegal for people to abuse you because of it.

On the off chance that you are referring to myself, sorry to disappoint but I do not flounce or refer to people as meanies 😂. The only reason I'm giving it all this much of my attention is because I'm distracting myself from something else.

I think the protective laws make it illegal to behave in a prejudicial way towards trans people. Obviously, I've been fact checking because you lot are good. Mean.. and it would seem somewhat inaccurate at times, .. anand sometimes outright wrong sometimes outright wrong, even whist being uber articulate. But good at expressing yourselves nonetheless . Having had what I have said twisted up like a pretzel, I do standby what I have been saying all along; that the protected characteristic nature of perceiving oneself as trans, does make it illegal for people to abuse you because of it.

No good comes of pretending. My (hypothetical) son’s sense of self will be fractured if I pretend he is female - no good comes from living a lie.

Guys. Imagine you had a child. And like any loving mother or father, you cherished and adored that child and gave them everything you could and you were immensely proud of their loving caring ways and the open communication you had nurtured and created. And eventually, your child, with their individual permit that you had watched, with pride, evolve into a personality separate from you and their other parent but with so many of your qualities and features, and who had grown into a sensitive, clever, kind and somewhat anxious teen, opened their heart and told you the biggest source of their angst.. and it was that they really didn't identify with their own, born gender, they had always felt like this, gradually grown to understand it and found the concept of continuing through life in that gender unthinkable.. and they asked for your help, guidance and support, because that's what you'd always given them and they expected nothing less.

Imagine also that this teenager was your son. Would you really, honestly say, hell no.. you are a boy.. you were born a boy, you have a penis, you've always been a boy and you will grow into a man and you will live that well defined gender role. People will always call you he. You will never be she and I will never ever support you on trying to be anything other than male.. so do not expect this of me. You can expect people to shun you, deny your lived experience and feelings.. some will ridicule you and insist on calling you what you refer to as your 'dead gender'. As for be.. i agree with them.. I support their way of thinking.. You deserve this for daring to express what you are feeling which is so far from what I want for you.. and I cannot conceive of ever feeling any other way.

Is this what you would do? Is this what you would feel? Honestly? All you educated, articulate people of mumsnet?

And the law, Dectective? Thanks.

(I will read your post, but right now you are deflecting from the main issue)

Guys. Imagine you had a child. And like any loving mother or father, you cherished and adored that child and gave them everything you could and you were immensely proud of their loving caring ways and the open communication you had nurtured and created. And eventually, your child, with their individual permit that you had watched, with pride, evolve into a personality separate from you and their other parent but with so many of your qualities and features, and who had grown into a sensitive, clever, kind and somewhat anxious teen, opened their heart and told you the biggest source of their angst.. and it was that they really didn't identify with their own, born gender, they had always felt like this, gradually grown to understand it and found the concept of continuing through life in that gender unthinkable.. and they asked for your help, guidance and support, because that's what you'd always given them and they expected nothing less.

Imagine also that this teenager was your son. Would you really, honestly say, hell no.. you are a boy.. you were born a boy, you have a penis, you've always been a boy and you will grow into a man and you will live that well defined gender role. People will always call you he. You will never be she and I will never ever support you on trying to be anything other than male.. so do not expect this of me. You can expect people to shun you, deny your lived experience and feelings.. some will ridicule you and insist on calling you what you refer to as your 'dead gender'. As for be.. i agree with them.. I support their way of thinking.. You deserve this for daring to express what you are feeling which is so far from what I want for you.. and I cannot conceive of ever feeling any other way.

Is this what you would do? Is this what you would feel? Honestly? All you educated, articulate people of mumsnet?