Don't Call Me Queer - The LGB and TQ+ Must Split Campaign

In that post I specified "male and female" as those two genders. You're allowed to use 'sex' and 'gender' interchangeably within the bounds of the English language. I was not saying "attracted to men and transwomen", don't worry.

Bit biphobic to announce you are 'het' and then tell everyone that bisexuality doesn't mean what all the bi people think it means 🤔 ie attracted to both sexes, no shits given about gender.

I mean, the clue is in the name: bi sexual. Gender not mentioned.

But funny.

I think you are mistaken, and will find that Bisexual means attraction to two sexes (male and female) whereas pansexual is attraction to all genders.

I am a straight man, I am only attracted to women - but I don't particularly care about their gender so I'm apparently pan.

I make similar jokes about pans every time I hear the word pansexual 😂

Yes it is childish.

Nope bisexuality is an attraction to both sexes. Nothing to do with gender at all. Obviously whether a specific person is attracted to someone can be affected by their gender presentation but that has nothing to do with their actual sexuality which is based on sex only.

If your language of choice is Esperanto. Which is so rarely spoken for the very same reason almost nobody except 15 year olds on social media uses "pansexual".

Very true. Obviously pansexuality only means something in the TQ+ world.

Equally, being married to a woman doesn't change his sexuality from bisexual to heterosexual. I think that's why Elen said I think Bi covers that pretty well

The difference here is that anyone who is bisexual can "identify as" pansexual. In the TQ+ world, anyone can identify however they like. But in legal terms, for the purposes of discrimination protection, they remain bisexual. The law doesn't care about all these different identities. Even the PC of gender reassignment doesn't legally make a male into a female or vice versa.

I'm not sure that's accurate... Bisexual means attraction to two genders (male and female) whereas pansexual is attraction to all genders (male, female, trans, nonbinary, etc). I don't think you'd bother to say "oh, I'm a pansexual man currently in a relationship with a man... I must be both pansexual and gay" because pansexual already covers homosexual. That's my understanding, anyway. Maybe you're pansexual and can explain it better...

In their eyes, are we all gender fluid then?

I'm also a straight LGB Alliance ally - only I'm a woman and don't use the fucking 'cis' word. Do announce your pronouns too?

You can be pansexual and heterosexual you can also be pansexual and gay or a lesbian or bisexual. Pansexual is about gender not sex so says nothing about their actual sexuality. All it really means is I like you as a person irrespective of how you present.

The fact that he's married to a woman doesn't change his sexuality from pansexual to heterosexual.

I think I may have had a very special teacher at school because sexuality was explained to my class as attraction to same, opposite, both or none. I'm not even as old as dirt for this to be an ancient concept.

Teaching that now would make life for so many young people less of a struggle instead of trying to convince them they are born wrong.

All power to LGBA, it's about time they split from the Gender Loons, I think the government should do what they ask, they're the representatives of LGB now, not Stonethecrows.

Yeah, I’m saying that pansexuality isn’t a thing. Because humans are either attracted to the opposite sex, the same sex, both sexes or neither. We already have words for all of those (heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, asexual). I can’t think of any other possible attractions or lack of that a human can have (apart from obviously paraphilic ones, which I wouldn’t term as sexualities).

So I don’t believe that pansexuality is a thing. But those who do can celebrate it under the TQ+

Just because some same sex attracted people support the [TQ+] ideaology doesn’t mean it should be lumped together.

This ⬆️

"Cishet" allies can continue to support queer people, gay people, pansexual people, bisexual people and so on. It can all remain one glorious fluid mix for anyone who wants it to be. Anything is possible on the TQ+ side of the line. Everyone is who they say they are because only they get to determine their own identity.

Meanwhile, on the LGB side of the line everything stays the same: lesbians are only ever attracted to females, gay men only to males and bisexual people to either (no pansexuality required as there are only 2 sexes).

Some stuff never gets old.

Assume husband is bisexual but has married a woman. I'm straight but have had bisexual long term partners, they just happened to be with a woman in that relationship, didn't make them straight.

@Waheymum pansexual is still bisexual if that is why you're questioning it.

It’s interesting some people use bisexual/ pan sexual interchangeably so possibly a foot in both camps. There is going to be degree of overlap of people who are same sex attracted and also embrace trans ideaology. That’s ok people are generally belonging to many groups simultaneously.

I do think it makes sense to have a seperate LGB as same sex attraction is not the same as ideaology. Just because some same sex attracted people support the ideaology doesn’t mean it should be lumped together.

LG is related to same sex attraction and B is related to both sex attraction.

TQ doesn't believe in sex.

So I have no idea why TQ was ever added to LGB. It makes no sense at all.

No-one thinks this.

I think Bi covers that pretty well

Also if you are female and your DH is male then he's straight. If you are male and he is too, you're both gay.
If you are female and your DH is a transman (so female) you are both gay.
If you are male and your DH is a transman (female) you are both straight.
In no scenario are you straight and he isn't.

Unless it's a lavender marriage I guess. Is that what you meant? But in that case, why would your DH identity as "not straight"?
Or is he not out despite you being an "ally" ?
It's all very confusing. 😕

It can't.

If gender comes into play, there is no such thing as homosexuality. The gender bit ends up trouncing all over it e.g. lesbian women are expected to be OK with "her penis" because "she" is now a "woman".

In this example, the lesbian woman has been forced to consider herself bisexual, while also gaslighting herself that she remains lesbian because it's transphobic to say no to "women" with willies.

To be clear, if there are queer, lesbian-identified women (in TQ+ speak) who really aren't bothered about "women" with willies, great! This is why separating from LGB makes sense for them too.

It all makes a lot more sense for straight allies like me too, because it's clear what I'm supporting.

Everyone's a winner when LGB and TQ+ split 🌈🥳