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What TRAs or 'gender' advocates and 'gender critical' feminists agree on.

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WrongKindOfFeminist · 18/07/2026 11:21

Thought it might be useful to find points of commonality.

Ever the optimist! 😊

  1. Gender stereotypes can be restrictive and limiting.
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Lexibletheflexible · 22/07/2026 17:13

Helleofabore · 22/07/2026 17:09

But it doesn’t mean ‘female’ only in the ‘female’ category. It has been used to describe Khelif and Semenya.

Making it inaccurate.

And I don’t believe the wider population understand the term and they certainly don’t understand the limitations of the term.

I understand cis female to mean someone without a DSD. Most people use it to describes women like me who was assigned female at birth based on the appearance of my anatomy and who feels that accurately describes any gender identity they feel they have, too.

WrongKindOfFeminist · 22/07/2026 17:13

Lexibletheflexible · 22/07/2026 17:09

Disagree that trans women aren't women and/or that they shouldn't be in female spaces and/or that they pose an increased risk to women's safety.

But the evidence has been posted several times.

Polls show around 20% of women say that men should be in women's spaces if they say they are trans.

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WrongKindOfFeminist · 22/07/2026 17:12

Helleofabore · 22/07/2026 17:12

I suspect we will just get the constant doubling down and it will fill up your thread.

I suppose so.

It's a damn shame. And a pointless bloody derail, too.

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Helleofabore · 22/07/2026 17:12

WrongKindOfFeminist · 22/07/2026 17:10

Me, too.

Also curious what 'literature reviews' will relate.

We have shared the data and numbers. Look forward to seeing what interpretations of this will be presented.

I suspect we will just get the constant doubling down and it will fill up your thread.

WrongKindOfFeminist · 22/07/2026 17:12

Look, share the figures you claim show that disprove the figures we've shared, like the YouGov polls and the Sexmatters polls.

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Lexibletheflexible · 22/07/2026 17:10

Helleofabore · 22/07/2026 17:07

So post those papers.

Let’s look at the methodology and the applicability to the general population and not just a self selected group with a bias that is not seen in the general population.

looking forward to reading them.

Are you going to reject all research that disagrees with you even if your own research poses the same methodological flaws? BecUse it sounds like you're already gearing up to say any research that disagrees with you isnt real research.

Helleofabore · 22/07/2026 17:10

Lexibletheflexible · 22/07/2026 17:09

Disagree that trans women aren't women and/or that they shouldn't be in female spaces and/or that they pose an increased risk to women's safety.

Link up the evidence

WrongKindOfFeminist · 22/07/2026 17:10

Me, too.

Also curious what 'literature reviews' will relate.

We have shared the data and numbers. Look forward to seeing what interpretations of this will be presented.

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Helleofabore · 22/07/2026 17:09

Lexibletheflexible · 22/07/2026 17:07

No it isny t confusing or misleading. It just means not trans

But it doesn’t mean ‘female’ only in the ‘female’ category. It has been used to describe Khelif and Semenya.

Making it inaccurate.

And I don’t believe the wider population understand the term and they certainly don’t understand the limitations of the term.

Lexibletheflexible · 22/07/2026 17:09

WrongKindOfFeminist · 22/07/2026 17:04

Disagree with what?

Disagree that trans women aren't women and/or that they shouldn't be in female spaces and/or that they pose an increased risk to women's safety.

Helleofabore · 22/07/2026 17:07

Lexibletheflexible · 22/07/2026 17:02

I tend to stick to literature reviews because they collate information from smaller polls.

So post those papers.

Let’s look at the methodology and the applicability to the general population and not just a self selected group with a bias that is not seen in the general population.

looking forward to reading them.

Lexibletheflexible · 22/07/2026 17:07

Helleofabore · 22/07/2026 17:04

What is the relevance of using ‘cis’?

Polls of the general population should be avoiding confusing terms such as cis which is misleading and confusing.

(and cis also does not only mean female people when male people who were incorrectly identified as being female at birth have been called ‘cis women’, meaning it is actually a meaningless term used for describing the unique female sex category. )

No it isny t confusing or misleading. It just means not trans

Lexibletheflexible · 22/07/2026 17:07

WrongKindOfFeminist · 22/07/2026 17:04

What do you mean by literature reviews? Can you link us up?

Or is this what you are calling 'chatgpt'?

A literature review is where someone looks at all the literature on a subject and reviews it to see what the whole body of research on the subject says overall.

ChatGPT is perfectly apt at finding information from said reviews and summarising it. It also gives references for the claims it makes so you can see yourself. I'd take time out to do this but I've been at work all day, replying between floors and during drink breaks.

When i am.home this evening and kids are in bed, I'll certainly show you what I found/find

Helleofabore · 22/07/2026 17:04

Lexibletheflexible · 22/07/2026 17:00

No, it's a term people who are in this field use to describe non-trans people. Ignoring peer reviewed research that uses it is anti-academic.

What is the relevance of using ‘cis’?

Polls of the general population should be avoiding confusing terms such as cis which is misleading and confusing.

(and cis also does not only mean female people when male people who were incorrectly identified as being female at birth have been called ‘cis women’, meaning it is actually a meaningless term used for describing the unique female sex category. )

WrongKindOfFeminist · 22/07/2026 17:04

Lexibletheflexible · 22/07/2026 17:04

Yes roughly 50%. About half of women will disagree with you.

Disagree with what?

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WrongKindOfFeminist · 22/07/2026 17:04

Lexibletheflexible · 22/07/2026 17:02

I tend to stick to literature reviews because they collate information from smaller polls.

What do you mean by literature reviews? Can you link us up?

Or is this what you are calling 'chatgpt'?

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Lexibletheflexible · 22/07/2026 17:04

WrongKindOfFeminist · 22/07/2026 17:03

You don't want to use numbers. But you are happy to state 50%.

Yes roughly 50%. About half of women will disagree with you.

WrongKindOfFeminist · 22/07/2026 17:03

Lexibletheflexible · 22/07/2026 17:02

I tend to stick to literature reviews because they collate information from smaller polls.

You don't want to use numbers. But you are happy to state 50%.

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WrongKindOfFeminist · 22/07/2026 17:02

You are claiming that 20% = 50%?

Okay.

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Lexibletheflexible · 22/07/2026 17:02

WrongKindOfFeminist · 22/07/2026 16:57

'A March 2026 poll found support for trans people using facilities matching their gender identity had dropped further, to just 20-21% for toilets and 18-19% for changing rooms/showers '

That's pretty clear, isn't it?

I tend to stick to literature reviews because they collate information from smaller polls.

Lexibletheflexible · 22/07/2026 17:01

WrongKindOfFeminist · 22/07/2026 17:01

Okay. I'm glad to see you're walking back from the daft figures of 50% you claimed earlier.

No i stand by that it is roughly 50%.

Lexibletheflexible · 22/07/2026 17:01

WrongKindOfFeminist · 22/07/2026 16:59

Nobody said that.

You are the one that made the claim of it being 50/50.

Everyone else has said it's a minority who support men using women's facilities if they say they're a woman.

The stats/data/polls show around 20% of women support men using women's facilities if they say they're a woman.

Yeah I said it is roughly 50/50. If you stand up in a public space and ask, roughly half the women there will be against your views. Women with boobs and wombs and who have experienced sexism like you have will vehemently disagree with you.

WrongKindOfFeminist · 22/07/2026 17:01

Lexibletheflexible · 22/07/2026 16:59

The fact that women who believe TWAW exist in large numbers is totally irrelevant to my personal views. It still remains that many of the people you will be arguing about what "women" think on this matter will be women who disagree with you.

Okay. I'm glad to see you're walking back from the daft figures of 50% you claimed earlier.

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Lexibletheflexible · 22/07/2026 17:00

nicepotoftea · 22/07/2026 16:58

It's an ideological term that presupposes identification with a gender so using it will skewer results.

It's a bit like asking somebody whether they will go to heaven or hell without giving a third option for people who believe in neither.

No, it's a term people who are in this field use to describe non-trans people. Ignoring peer reviewed research that uses it is anti-academic.

WrongKindOfFeminist · 22/07/2026 16:59

Lexibletheflexible · 22/07/2026 16:57

The original point was that it isn't just "trans women" who believe TWAW, a lot of women do, too. This is what you're attempting to prove to me, that only a tiny minority of women support trans women.

Nobody said that.

You are the one that made the claim of it being 50/50.

Everyone else has said it's a minority who support men using women's facilities if they say they're a woman.

The stats/data/polls show around 20% of women support men using women's facilities if they say they're a woman.

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