What TRAs or 'gender' advocates and 'gender critical' feminists agree on.

ok, no problem, but you still haven't linked to the data that proves your previous assertions. We can't really disagree or challenge your assertions until we see the actual evidence, so we'll just wait.

I certainly wouldn't disagree or agree until I see your data, but I have seen the data which backs up what other posters have said, so it's over to you!

Asking you for data to back up your repeated doubling down is not us being upset. It is us pointing out the hypocrisy in your doubling down while then declaring that you have data that contradicts our data, while using Chat GPT.

In fact, ask a AI generator if Khelif is a cis woman. I just did and it confirmed that yes, Khelif is a cis woman.

We understand that this reference framework is relevant to you because you believe you have a gender identity. In a pluralistic society people should be free to have a wide range of beliefs, so that is your own business.

However, can you understand that for other people the idea of being categorised according to gender identity is oppressive?

Okay I need to focus for a bit to finish this utility room. I shall be back after bedtime

Im not digging or deflecting anything at all. I stand by everything I've said. Even though other women disagreeing or challenging you seems to upset so many of you so much.

You appear to be digging yourself a hole, and trying to deflect the discussion onto "cis" and "not cis" because perhaps you don't have any real data? I would recommend you stop digging. I'm sure we are all interested to review your data. We won't forget, so you can take whatever time you need.

Says the person who uses Chat GPT to back up their claims. I am not angry. I am making a point. I always swear, is it not allowed for women to swear?

I think that is supposedly some kind of reverse logic. I don't believe I covered that in my research units....

Why are you swearing like that? Why are you so angry? You need help.

The data is right there linked in each post. I suggest before you continue to double down with your own rejection of data, you actually review it first.

Are you saying that a smaller poll size gives more accurate results than a larger poll size?

How about you start backing up your claims, and even fucking reading what has been provided, before you start demanding women do more work for you.

No, I haven't. But summaries referred to people and I assume you all wouldn't lie about what is in the link you posted. Would you?

If you were called a girl at birth because you have a vagina and you're OK with that and feel like it is apt for you for whatever reason, you are cis. That's all it means. You aren't trans. You don't have to ID as cis but if you deny being cis then I'd assume you mean you aren't the gender you were stated to be at birth.

People with DSDs are a tiny number of people. When people say cis, they mean not trans. Do show these activists who say these athletes are cis women though since we are all for evidence.

Cis = on this side Trans = on the other side.

The terms can only make sense with reference to another concept, whether that is the Alps or the Atlantic. In this case the reference point is gendered identity.

Stonewall:

Someone whose gender is the same as the sex they were assigned at birth. For example, a cis(gender) woman is someone who was assigned female at birth and continues to live and identify as a woman.

If you don't identify with a gendered identity, there is no reference point, and the idea that one would identify with a 'gender that is the same as the sex assigned at birth' (by what? not receiving an education if one lives in Afghanistan?) is deeply offensive to many people.

Insisting on clear language is not 'anti-academic'.

Thank you for confirming you have not even bothered to review what has been posted.

I said I will, I just don't have time to sit and find the studies now. I am on the move and using voice to type mostly.

Then you would be contradicting activists and experts who have written about male people with DSDs being cis women.

And if you have wrongfully made that assumption, then perhaps you cannot confidently assert the definition you are insisting it means.

The polls youve posted are only women, right? Because that is what I always said: About half of WOMEN.

If you are not confident to defend your point with the data you insist will show it, that is your issue to deal with. if you don’t post it, how can anyone evaluate it?

Seems like a lack of confidence on your part. Some of us on this thread review data like this very frequently.