Heartstopper Forever film TRA propaganda: "People don't want me using public bathrooms", "Government is taking away my rights"

Yes, sorry - transcrime.co.uk

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OneUniquePearlFish They're [transpeople] not a single, monolithic group, and there's no good evidence that trans people as a whole pose a threat to women.

I disagree. Going beyond the anecdotal ' just ordinary people trying to live their lives, working, spending time with family and friends, and dealing with the same everyday challenges as everyone else, trans people do form a a single group in that they believe, against all serious scientific consensus, that human sex is not immutable and is not binary, and/or that there is something inherent called 'gender' which is more important than biological sex.

That is a threat not just to women, because it undermines our identity as a specific social group, but it also undermines a fact-based system which relies on empirical evidence and peer-review and objectivity and ethics and all that jazz..

Future generations of sociologists will have a field-day trying to work out how the unsupported, unprovable minority opinions of such a tiny percentage of the population have gained disproportionate influence in so many society parts of society - media, medicine, law, education, language..

The word 'threat' can mean more than the threat of physical harm. There's plenty of evidence of other kinds of harm.

Given that Hollyoaks always felt like a dumbed down version of Brookside, that's really not a good sign.

Like all other males, the majority of whom are good men who would never harm anyone.

Not all transwomen are rapists, but any rapist can say he's trans. And until recently that was enough to be given free access to women's spaces.

They're not a single, monolithic group
So do you advocate for separating out the overall category of 'transwomen' into separate groups? So for instance allowing those with diagnosed gender dysphoria or gender dysmorphia into women's spaces, but refusing access to the AGP's and the self-identified?
How would that work in practice?

there's no good evidence that trans people as a whole pose a threat to women
But some trans people are a threat to women, so until you can identify and separate out the bad ones, they all must stay out of women's spaces.
Back to first principles of safeguarding: all male people over age 8 are not allowed in women's spaces.

But judging an entire group by the words or actions of a small minority is neither fair nor supported by the evidence.
Totally agree. I don't judge all transwomen negatively, that would be prejudice.
But they all have to stay out of women's spaces. Because they are men.

without mentioning that blocking puberty is the worst form of child abuse and any parent who’s gone along with it for a quiet life, needs their head wobbling.

I’ve seen the clip now. Managed to squeeze in that puberty blockers are no longer available into it too.

Try changing the url

I think Sinnerboys post is a typo for “transcrime”

Thanks for the references, but I can't find the second one - all it seems to bring up (and related searches) are everyday services for office transcriptions?

lgbt+ community

I have not seen the film. Is it about lesbian, gay and bisexual people as well as transgender people? And, who would the +++s be?

Returning to the film, there's an example of the damage trans ideology is doing to LGB visibility soon after that continuous... fade out the background music, fade out the other voices, turn up Elle's megaphone leading the chant... "What do we want?" "Trans rights." "When do we want it?" "Now!" during the Pride march. Over half of the Pride scene was taken up by that chanting and I think every one of the main characters was seen joining in.

Elle's long-term boyfriend, Tao, asks on the way to the gay club after the march "Are straight people allowed in? I feel like I'm not going to be allowed in". He gets a reply implying he's 'an ally'. Only he isn't. He's a young man called Tao who has been in a relationship with a young man called Elle since Season 1. These two males have both been at a march supposedly celebrating LGB relationships and visibility. After 24 episodes and a film neither of them and none of their friends has addressed the reality that they are in a gay relationship and have been for a long time. It's the lack of clarity thing again - 'transing the gay away'.

And it's yet one more example of why the LGB needs to be separated from T.

Yes. There was widespread misunderstanding in the past that "transwoman" meant a woman who presents as a man. It still confuses people to this day.

That lack of clarity has benefitted a LOT of people.

Can you link to these polls showing that women are happy to have men who are trans in their toilets?

Because in this yougov poll 55% said men who are trans should not be allowed in women's toilets and only 25% said they should. It was even higher for changing rooms, 58% against and 25% for.

So I'd say the majority of women definitely do not want men that are trans in their toilets. The percentages would probably be even wider of course if the question used the words 'men who are trans' rather than 'transgender woman'. Many people still think that a transgender woman is a biological woman who is transgender. The language used is not clear to all, I've frequently seen people on MN think that a transgender woman is a woman who is trans.

https://yougov.com/en-gb/articles/51545-where-does-the-british-public-stand-on-transgender-rights-in-202425

OneUniquePearlFish

If you think that it's a tiny number of bad actors, have a look at:

terfisaslur.com

and

transcribe.co.uk

Sorry, can't do links on the phone.

By requiring the Claimants to share a changing room with a biological male trans woman… the Respondent engaged in unwanted conduct related to sex and gender reassignment which had the effect of violating the dignity of the Claimants and creating for the Claimants a hostile, humiliating and degrading environment.

That is what a judge wrote. If you honestly believe that a TW using a facility for women has no impact on how women feel then you need to give your head a massive wobble.

Genuine safeguarding is about assessing individual circumstances and real risks, not using a small number of extreme cases to justify excluding an entire group of people.

No, you are wrong. This is absolutely one of the aspects of effective safeguarding.

To spell it out for you: a male relative of mine coaches a girl's sport team. He had to have all the checks, DBS etc. He wouldn't hurt a fly but he didn't get all indignant about being checked out. He understood it's because some men are not as lovely as he is. And lovely though he is and even though the checks came back with no issues, he doesn't expect to go in the girls' changing rooms with them.

No, you said "As for toilets and spaces, trans people have been using the facilities that match their lived gender for decades without a single issue. The reality is that the vast majority of women in the real world don't care"

That is a massive assumption on your part.
You are assuming there was not a single issue.
How would you know?
How would any issues have been reported? What were the mechanisms for that in the past, particularly pre-internet?
Do you think women reporting any issues decades ago would have been believed?
How do you know what our mothers and grandmothers thought about men in their spaces? Did anyone consult them?

This is clearly a case of "I haven't heard about any, so none happened".
It is purely your assumption.
A flawed one.

There are plenty of barbershops that will quite pointedly state that they don't cut women's hair - even if they only want a crew cut. They may have the fear that a woman who is unhappy with her haircut could lead to far greater kickback and negative repercussions for them than a man who might be more likely to just shrug it off and not be all that bothered...

However, I rather think that their main reasoning is just that they want a male-only space - whether it's the topics of conversation, the content of the magazines on the table or whatever... it's not an issue when there are plenty of equivalent facilities available for women only.

The tired TRA trope of "they want to ban me from using public toilets" is so obviously ludicrous. It's as ridiculous as saying that the government is seeking to deny your secondary-aged child an education, because they are no longer allowed at the primary school and need to move to their place at the correct one; or that my NDN wants to see me homeless and destitute out on the streets because she won't let me move in to her house, when my own identical home is right next door, but I just don't like the number on the door or something.

It’s just bad telly, if you’re happy for “LGBT+ youth” to be represented by such average quality, good for you.

Personally, it was like watching a dumbed down version of Hollyoaks for over an hour.

Polling shows that most women prefer single sex toilets, without any men in. They are quite definite when the question is asked about men who identify as women who have not had full physical gender reassignment.

@OneUniquePearlFish

Genuine safeguarding is about assessing individual circumstances and real risks, not using a small number of extreme cases to justify excluding an entire group of people.

Actually, it is. All men are excluded from female single-sex spaces because of the actions of a few. That's exactly how safeguarding works.

Feminism should be about challenging systems of oppression, not targeting another vulnerable minority.

Then let's unite in targetting male oppression, by asking for additional spaces for trans people, away from both men (whom they fear) and women (who deserve to keep their own spaces). Would that be all right with you?

Exactly. Silly argument based on the logic that you should never have any safeguarding at all because it’s morally wrong.