Linehan tweeting misogyny and racism now

The amazing spider like digger that was used to help get the boats out was driven by a woman! I think she had 20 minutes practice to learn to control all the bits of it that moved independently and then got on and did a cracking job.

Also, the boat called Sefton was the last of its particular build on the canals, it was the one right at the bottom and got hammered. The owners couldn't face restoring it but it has been bought by a couple who wanted a project and were somewhat taken aback at the amount of interest their little youtube channel suddenly attracted.

Some relatives used to keep a boat up there which we have borrowed a number of times so I am taking an interest, as may be apparent, ahem.

It is true that Imane Khelif is not female. Males with dsds may not be caught in countries where there is less access to medical care. Or where there may be no reason to think the child suffers from a dsd until they hit puberty, and don’t develop in a way they would if they were the sex presumed.

When puberty kicks in, with some types of dsd that males can have, their internal testicles (because they didn’t form properly to be outside the body) produce the testosterone as expected for a male. And you see he responds to it, even without the testing he underwent which highlighted he is male. So, not based on a hunch at all. To try to pretend he is a girlie is bollocks (excuse the pun).

So, nothing about ‘identification’ or ‘trans’. Just a male with a disorder of sexual development.

A dsd doesn’t make a male not male. Just other disorders/conditions do not make someone less human. They just have a condition.

'Women who know that men can't magically become women - that's a cult I'm interested in.

Are GC women really swarming to become Reformers thanks to Glinners sneaky tactics - can't say I'd noticed but maybe the Russians are paying him?

That breach was awful. I watched the footage of them retrieving the boats and it was heartening to see how people rallied round those that lost their boats or had to find the resourcfes for repair. Seemed a lovely supportive community.

Ooo, now I can segue to the Llangollen canal which has 2 fine aqueducts and is currently being repaired after suffering a dramatic breach around Christmas. The heavy machinery available is a far cry from the armies of navvies with picks, shovels and wheelbarrows who built it and then went on to build railways and roads, hurrah for them and their labours.

Glad to see the extraordinary claims about Brunel importing black slaves to build railways and steeam ships were tackled, I saw them last night and wondered how anyone can parade such ignorance without even checking their facts, especially whilst using the interent which makes it easier than ever to check facts. A far cry from hoping that the Encyclopedia Britannica in the library would be of use, honestly these folx don't know their born. I understand William the Conquerer made a significant dent in slavery here by banning markets but likely for economic reasons, not out of the goodness of his heart.

It's bizarre, isn't it? Like a child dragging something back to the house to get us to tell off the other kid.

Women here are not responsible for what men say on the internet.

Unless they are our actual children, and even then, there are limits.

I am always tickled by the suggestion that it is GC people who are in a cult.

Makes total sense doesn't it? The people whose position is rooted in long established scientific understanding of mammalian biology. Based on what's been understood as the primary distinction in humans since the dawn of time.

That just screams 'cult', doesn't it?

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Oh my goodness you think this is a new trick.

Im embarrassed for you.

The coin doesn't even mention race - but even if it did... Brunel's structures were built by slaves brought in through Bristol.

You are obviously not in the UK otherwise you would know that slavery was never really a thing here besides which Britain abolished slavery in 1833 & the vast majority of Brunel's structures were erected after that date.

Finally he is laughing at the coin because it is almost literally a meaningless token just like the phrase (OK it is worth 50p).

The UK has only become diverse in very recent times for example when I was born in 1953 there were only about 20,000-30,000 black people in Britain & perhaps 10,000-15,000 Asians. The figures now are about 2.5 million black people & nearly 6 million of Asian heritage.

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Aqueducts?

Yep, I think I will go with the stupendous amount of knowledge on this subject of Sir Robert Winston who has stated categorically that there are only two sexes and it is impossible for humans to change sex.

Here's something else you've got wrong. You've already been corrected about slavery, but I also object to the way you have written out of history the huge contribution of migrant Irish workers to the building not just of Brunel's structures, but vast amounts of the UK's infrastructure.
Brunel Museum Shines A Light On The Irish Workers Who Built The Thames Tunnel | Londonist

There's even a contemporaneous funny song called The Humours of Whiskey that mentions Brunel:
And what helped Mr. Brunnell to build the Thames Tunnel
Wasn't it poteen from ould Inisowen

and the more recent Building up and tearing England down:

But the likes of you and me will never get the O.B.E
Or a knighthood for good service to the hod
It's the concrete master race
That would keep you in your place
And a ganger man to kick you to the ground
If you ever try to take part of what the bosses made
When you're building up and tearing England down.

and McAlpine's Fusiliers:
I've worked till the sweat near had me bet
With Russian, Czech and Pole
At shuttering jams up in the Hydro Dams
or underneath the Thames in a hole
I grafted hard and I got me cards
and many a ganger's fist across me ears
If you pride your life, don't join, by Christ, with McAlpine's Fusiliers.

Is that enough evidence, GiddyGiddyGiddy, for you to amend your claim about who it was who 'helped Mr Brunnel to build the Thames Tunnel' etc and correct the record about the huge role of Irish workers in 'building up and tearing England down'?

Good luck with your fantasy biological framework.

Next thing you’ll be telling us is that the completeness of real numbers means that binary arithmetic doesn’t exist.

"if we want to be a serious country with law & order, anything short of outright abolishment of the 19th amendment would be a grave half-measure".
The 19th amendment allowed women to vote in America. Is that statement also not misogynist?

It's a joke. It's obvious from the hyperbole of "a grave half-measure". Funnily enough a sense of humour failure seems to go with the TRA territory.

Sorry, but that's empirically not true. Look it up literally anywhere. She is not trans.

You are correct that he is not trans as he is a male with a DSD but apparently you don't know what a DSD is. It's an acronym for Difference (or Disorder) of Sexual Development. His genitals were thought to be female at birth but he went through male puberty which is why he is so much stronger than a female boxer.

Yes, 2+2 absolutely makes 5 if you say so. Enjoy.

"if we want to be a serious country with law & order, anything short of outright abolishment of the 19th amendment would be a grave half-measure".
What exactly am I misunderstanding here?

A joke relying on hyperbole q.v. "A MODEST PROPOSAL For preventing the children of poor people in Ireland, from being a burden on their parents or country, and for making them beneficial to the public by Dr. Jonathan Swift"

Graham Linehan can be a bit of an arsehole therefore men can be women.

HTH

Welcome to Mumsnet OP. I think we welcomed Whispering the other day?

Always interesting to see "new" posters taking the opportunity to wheel out some of the tired old tropes that we repeatedly see on here as they try to 'educate' women to their way of thinking.

Hopefully a good night's sleep (wherever you are) and a cup of chamomile tea this morning might cure any grumpiness and fire those brain cells into action. 😉

His milkshake brings ALL THE BOYS to the yard.

Ah yes, gotcha

I suspect someone is butt-hurt about Linehan's recent apology from the Met and £25000 payout.

I'm not sure what the point of your post is OP. Do you want us to tell him off or something?

This is one of their "Initiatives":
"Spirituality
ProSocial Spirituality provides tools for groups to deepen their connection, foster collaboration, and work towards shared goals. By blending evolutionary and behavioral science with contemplative spirituality, the initiative offers a transformative approach to personal and collective growth."

I can't find on the page if they peer review, I somewhat doubt it.

I love all these posts pretending that biological sex is oh-so complicated. People must imagine themselves terribly clever and sophisticated compared to us dunces who think there are only two sexes.

And yet...everyone in daily life knows perfectly well when they meet someone new whether they are a man or a woman. Any country in the world that wants to deny women the right to vote, or to own property, or to have the same pay as men, has no trouble at all working out who those people are. Amazingly, when the Taliban wants to stop girls from going to school, it doesn't have any difficulty knowing who's a girl and who isn't.

Isn't that strange? Almost as if biological sex isn't the slightest bit complicated at all, and people who say it is are talking out of their rear ends.