Vulva Only Spaces

The biggest problem I have with your argument/suggestion is that it allows for exceptions and that just doesn’t work.

The rule is simple: Women are adult human females, girls are adolescent human females. Women/girl only spaces/facilities/services are for females. NO males are allowed to use those, no males wearing dresses, no males taking cross sex hormones, no males who have had cosmetic surgery to alter their appearance, no males who feel particularly feminine today. Just NO males.

When you start making exceptions on a case-by-case basis you start diluting the rule and widening the scope of the laws. How do you write legislation that says ‘This space/service/facility is for women, unless the man looks enough like a woman to pass xx% of the time, or has a set of circumstances that meet these thresholds, in which case they can use this, this and this service but not that facility and they can use this space but only under these circumstances….’

I'll say it again - 'male' and 'female' is fine....

I was present when a 'fully transitioned' transsexual kicked off about something. It was a very intimidating experience. Removal of male genitals makes no difference to male entitlement and aggression. I imagine it makes them worse, in some cases.

A man might feel he is a woman in a man's body but in reality he is still a man assuming he knows what it feels like to be female through their male view of the world.

A bit like if I put on a wool jumper, get on all fours and eat grass. I'm not really a sheep in a human body, I'm just assuming what it feels like to be a sheep through my human imagination.

It is not about genitalia.

It is about women retaining their rights to privacy, dignity, and safety in a single sex space.

No males. Zero. None.

This is surely easily covered with 'female' and 'male'?

Interesting.

The incident took place in 2022, in a televised debate. The court case was recently, this year. In its ruling, the court argued that Moutot had reduced “transgender women” to “their male attribute.”

Oddly enough that is exactly what today's OP has done for women - reduced us to our "female attribute".

Moutot intends to appeal.

It isn’t just about “accidentally seeing male genitalia.”

It is about running into an obviously male person in a confined space.

It is about men who like to listen to women use the toilet or try and instigate chat about make up/tampons/ “girl things”.

It is about how women feel when they are vulnerable and partly dressed or dealing with period fallout at the sinks and they know there is a male person in the next cubicle /waiting by the sinks/ blocking the exit.

Removal of a penis does not change someone’s sex or how most women will read that person’s sex.

Women will still feel uncomfortable or fearful and on edge around this person, just as they would around a man who entered a space set aside for female people.

So no, the uk law is quite clear that female spaces are for female people.

Female/male difference is about a lot more than genitalia.

What did you want to achieve from your post? Everyone’s agreement?

that would make you a “fuck wit” as you say.

An aside here but does everyone realise that in a French court Dora Moutot was found guilty of transphobia for saying less than this?

(She said women had to be wary of anyone with a penis for which she got a €1000 fine and costs against her)

Oh! I've won an award!

So lovely, thank you!

Nighty night!

OP is bored

they flounced off

what a shame

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If a man cuts his penis off he is a man without a penis. He is not a woman. The same way that if you cut one horn off a cow it doesn't become a unicorn.

I hope that's clear.

I understand where you’re coming from then but it’s just not what women want. They don’t want to have any biological man in with them, even if there is minimal risk. I think trying to compromise with this is just making things worse because nobody is getting what they want. The 3rd space is really the only option I can see working. Trans people and anyone else who is willing to share with either sex can all crack on. There will be trans people who feel shunned by not being allowed to use the bathroom or changing room of the gender they’ve chosen to be (I suspect that I’ve clumsily worded that) but like I say, tough isn’t it? Women matter more than being slightly put out over a bathroom.
It’s such a minefield trying to please and not offend people so you just have to accept you can’t do that and look after the most vulnerable which is women and children. No harm though in my opinion discussing these things, maybe one day someone will have a tremendous idea that pleases everyone x

A lot of schools are finishing this week. Universities finished a little while back, but the tone of this poster is more adolescent with half-baked arguments, copy-and-paste, goad and wind up then pretend they didn't.

Well, true. I will take that accusation on the chin 🙂.

Yep.

And didn’t a couple of male people with their penises surgically removed have a discussion on twitter mocking female toilet noises and habits.

It really doesn’t need a penis attached for a male person ro be abusive.

Tbf it does indicate a certain pedantry

You seriously suggesting that we need to see people’s genitals in order to allow them access? Really? Really?

Didn't Sarah Jane Baker lop his off himself? I'm terrified of him and would rather not share a planet, let alone a changing room.

So by saying that you thought that men who have their penis removed should be allowed in women's spaces, you actually meant that those men should use third spaces and that if they demand otherwise they're selfish arseholes?

But why does anyone think that a male person cannot abuse and harm female people simply because they no longer have a penis?