Show off 😉

This OP was just hoping for a bunch of screenshots to show off to the rest of their Righteous pals, proving that the viperous hags of MN are perverts demanding genital inspections.

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Ok, everyone is just showing off now! We Are Not Amused. <flounce>

Another sorceress! 😆

˙ʇǝɹɔǝs ǝɥʇ sʍouʞ oɥʍ ǝuo ʎןuo ǝɥʇ ʇ,usı ǝןʇǝǝB

This OP reads like one of those posters who bangs on about genital inspections.

I rather suspect that this was the goal indeed: get us to accept that "vulva-only spaces" is a great idea, and then wonder, "Oh, but how are we going to make sure everyone has a vulva? ... Ha ha ha, gotcha! You say you don't want genital inspections, but there I have the proof that you really do!"

Didn't quite work out that way, hence the flounce, I suppose.

It isn't about men's magic penises (just as penis-y if they've been chopped off or chopped up). it's their maleness. Also, transwomen don't have vulvas, as was made sadly and starkly obvious a decade of so when the Guardian weekend magazine featured a double-page spread of pictures of vulvas, one of which wasn't. Sadly for the person who suffered.

This OP reads like one of those posters who bangs on about genital inspections.

A vulva is the end of a full reproductive system which defines our life experience based on sex.

Mutilating yourself to look from the outside a bit like the real thing does not change your sex. It does not change your reproductive system.

It just shows up the lack of respect and your lack of understanding of the opposite sex.

We should treat mutilated men as men. Because they are not women and continuing to indulge the idea that they are somehow women is harming women. And harming far more women than there are mutilated men.

End of conversation.

have a vulva instead of a penis they would feel exactly the same way, as women

Utterly batty.

This isn't what you said. You specifically included trans-identified men who had been through surgery to create a facsimile of a vulva in the group of people who would be allowed into these vulva only spaces. That's not a women only space.

I don't want to be defined by a body part. Being female is complex and impacts every cell of our bodies. Changing from "Woman", to something that is just a small part of being a woman reduces us. It would also exclude women who have been unfortunate to lose their vulva for instance, from radical surgery for cancer of the vulva.

We are women. What we need is for people to stop trying to change the meaning of the word that does actually define us perfectly.

What? What on earth are you talking about? You think a mutilated man feels just like a woman? You do know that being a woman has absolutely nothing to do with feelings right?

“Female” and “male” covers this problem completely.

There isn’t any need to bring genitalia into it - genitalia are not the main problem with males in female spaces.

What were you going to label the “male” toilets?

I am not sure you can be making a serious proposal here.

The only way to have a vulva is to be born with one.

Like parent and child spaces?

Your posts are quite confusing and it is you that seems to be missing the logic and then deciding to call people fuckwits.

Using the term vulva will not clarify who uses which provision.

1. male people claim to have any female external body part that a surgeon will ‘create’.

2. you would need to educate large portions of the female population in the UK what and where their vulva is.

3. as so many posts have pointed out, it is incorrect, as well as inaccurate, to reduce access to any female single sex provision to who has what body part, and a male person can abuse and harm female people even when he doesn’t have a penis. The penis is only relevant to some aspects of male abuse of female people. So why bring the focus of any discussion about which people use which provision down to penises ie vulvas.

The law is already clear. No men in women's single sex spaces. That includes men who've had their cocks cut off (though most of them haven't).

We already have that right. In law. SCJ - sex means biological sex
Are Trans Identified Men still arguing about it? Yes. But the law is clear.
No men in women's single sex spaces. Regardless of surgery, certificates and womanly feels.

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I still haven't figured out how @Boiledbeetle does the upside down thing though! Maybe one day I'll figure out the trick to it.

I too am in awe of the bigly emojis!

Does it work with the normal BIGLY rules I wonder?

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ETA: It does! It does! Woo-hoo!

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Yes.

It's a surgical wound and artificially created gash not a vulva.

It is offensive and inaccurate to suggest it is a female part of the body that has been recreated. It's not.

Ok well, I'll let it slide for now because it's actually now Saturday (yawn). I'll ask you again maybe at lunchtime one day, when no one else is around. Like, maybe Tuesday?

ed. Dammit!

ed. again. spelling. (dammit!)

Mwahahahahh ... a special trick from her Boiledness ...
I am prepared to reveal how, but not on THIS thread 👀

Wait just a minute...! How did you get BIGLY emojis???