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Pakistan’s deep denial about grooming gangs

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TheGander · 17/07/2026 13:23

Pakistan is refusing to take back the leader of a grooming gang in his release from prison.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyxnvjy706o
It states he was raised, groomed and “ unfortunately spoiled” in the UK. I understand no one wants to be left holding this deeply unattractive parcel, but to deny that his Pakistani heritage has anything to do with the grooming is staggering to me.

A mugshot of an Asian man in his 60s, with a grey moustache and bald head. He is looking into the camera.

Pakistan resists UK attempts to deport grooming gang leader Shabir Ahmed

The government of Pakistan says it has "no connection whatsoever" with the case of Shabir Ahmed.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyxnvjy706o

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ChequerToRed · 17/07/2026 14:12

‘Unfortunately spoiled’.
Interesting choice of words, there.

IrnBruAndDietCoke · 17/07/2026 14:11

I would imagine his thoughts and feelings towards women were formed long before 14. In their country I believe that in the 70s when he arrived, that was old enough for a girl to be married and responsible for children. And now they’re claiming he “was a child” when he came here at the same age? Double standards for girls and boys in Pakistan? Blow me down with a feather. However I don’t think it’s a good idea to deport him to a country where he could do the same again and more with total impunity because they are so corrupt and hate women. IDK what we should do with him.

OttersOnAPlane · 17/07/2026 14:09

YourAmplePlumPoster · 17/07/2026 13:50

So what do Pakistan do with groomers and rapists that is superior to us?

Well, they don't have a steady supply of poor and disenfranchised non-Muslim girls on tap there, so I imagine it's slightly more difficult than it is here.

Those girls were groomed and raped because those Pakistani men regarded them as trash. I'm usually against physical punishment but I'd geld the lot of them.

Kingdomofsleep · 17/07/2026 14:06

YourAmplePlumPoster · 17/07/2026 13:50

So what do Pakistan do with groomers and rapists that is superior to us?

Don't they have the death penalty there?

FinchiePink · 17/07/2026 14:05

StabiaGirl · 17/07/2026 13:36

Pakistan received £133 million in UK foreign aid last year.
Take back your human detritus or we stop your money.

Smart, then they'll stop all the economic relations we have with them - you'd be amazed how many factories in Pakistan produce goods for UK companies.

And they'll also then likely renege on all the other collaborative work with our security and intelligence services aimed at tackling illegal migration.

"Foreign aid" isn't a charitable gift, that's a massive oversimplification and thinking we can browbeat Pakistan with a measly £133m (over 3 years) bung is naive in the extreme.

Plus there's all the commonwealth history to take into account.

And now isn't really the time to be alienating close allies on the world stage, especially since Pakistan is such a key mediator between the US and Iran.

I know people want him to go back to Pakistan and I for one would be very happy to see him go. But let's be realistic about what's actually available and apply some critical thinking for thirty seconds.

TheGander · 17/07/2026 14:04

YourAmplePlumPoster · 17/07/2026 13:50

So what do Pakistan do with groomers and rapists that is superior to us?

Probably deny that the problem exists in the first place. Bribe the police. Shame the victims into silence or in the best case, marry them to prevent shame on their family. Pakistan is at the bottom of the country list for gender parity. Yes, even below Afghanistan.

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YourAmplePlumPoster · 17/07/2026 13:51

Just say, sorry, that package of Aid is cancelled. Bye.

YourAmplePlumPoster · 17/07/2026 13:50

So what do Pakistan do with groomers and rapists that is superior to us?

TheGander · 17/07/2026 13:48

I can understand them not wanting him back. But to say he was groomed and “spoiled” in the UK is outrageous. I am sure the mentality is” if he’d grown up in a righteous Islamic country he wouldn’t have done what he did”. Conveniently ignoring that time and again the men in grooming gangs targeting vulnerable girls are of Pakistani origin.

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StabiaGirl · 17/07/2026 13:36

Pakistan received £133 million in UK foreign aid last year.
Take back your human detritus or we stop your money.

Apollo441 · 17/07/2026 13:32

Why should they. He's been here since he was 14 (i.e. his whole adult life). The claim that he is a product of Britain has some weight (although I think that his heritage was central to his behaviour). His contempt for women is ingrained in the culture. It's true he couldn't have carried on like that in Pakistan but only because there isn't an available underclass of non muslim girls. We need to build more prisons so these fuckers have somewhere to rot.