'Heather' Herbert Charged Over Ann Widdecombe Comments

My thought was they shared the details to show that this wasn’t a burglary gone wrong or he pushed her over and she hit her head scenario.
This was a deliberate and sustained attack on a woman in her late 70s where the accused is a much younger man i.e. likely to be much bigger and stronger

DH said something this evening that’s been playing on my mind too - we can’t think of another situation where the headline has lead on the grim details of a murder. We’d normally expect to see “courts hears of violent manner of death” as the lead and the details in the article so you have a chance to avoid them. DH actually said he wondered if it was because AW didn’t have a husband or kids so the media felt it was ok to shout about the horrible details without upsetting the nearest and dearest, ignoring the fact she still had family and friends. He’s quite disturbed by it too - but then MIL is not long dead herself (illness) and was of a similar age and also kept her door unlocked when she was in the house because she lived in a very quiet, safe part of the country.

No no no, it's the Pantomime Dames Sex in the City

They very much do still make sandwich spread. DH is very fond of it for, well, sandwiches. I have to order it regularly from special shops (don’t live in UK). Tried making my own, but just no. No.

At a guess, a couple of slices of courgette and perhaps a testicle?

School curry with sultanas in it has given me a lifelong aversion to savory dishes that contain fruit*.

*the type of fruit likely to be found in fruit bowls or fruit salads, not tomatoes, chillis, cucumber, etc.

Is Herbert being investigated by the ordinary police, or counter terrorism?

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The whole thing is awful. I've been so upset to hear about the details; right there on the BBC website with no warning - 21 hammer blows. It's like something out of game of thrones, not real life. The violence that some men have towards women is unfathomable. And it's just relentless. Maybe I shouldn't even have that caveat "some" men. It's just men. I don't understand why half of our human race are just prone to such violence and sexual aggression and assault. Awful 😞 May Ann rest in peace and I hope the piece of shit who killed her is locked away for a long time. I also hope that the vile man who this thread is originally about is made to think twice about the type of person he is inside. Only a twisted person would think the words he posted were in any way appropriate to say. Imagine being that dead inside that you would say such horrible things about another human. 😢

It's CT @Lalgarh ,they'll literally have cut his sofa open to check for devices and notes.

I'm assuming hard drives are being searched as with La Herbert

The trail is set for next June and the reporter was saying it's likely to give the authorities plenty time to investigate further planning etc that might maybe yield other charges

https://x.com/i/status/2079657443353596198

FYI

RIP Miss Widdecombe. I didn't agree with her political views at all but no one deserves such a terrible thing. I hope her attacker is suitably punished.

Ah right. Fair enough. Definitely looked very beardy in the drawing but the hair looked like the recent camera footage as opposed the older photo. I don't doubt it's the right man.

Yes, I hope so. Without wanting to dwell on it, I imagine a hammer blow to the head would knock you out very quickly.

I was in Court today and the court drawing (as court drawings tend to be) was not strictly accurate. The beard was not as thick as that. More 5-o'clock shadow. And he was pudgier and less pleasant-looking.
And yes, it was very upsetting to hear the ferocity of the attack.

The BBC report is just horrific and the thought of that happening to anyone, let alone an elderly lady in her own home, is very upsetting. Whoever did it.

I am surprisingly rather emotional at the idea. I hope Ann lost consciousness immediately and knew nothing.

I wouldn't worry about it, there were either video cameras in the house or a video doorbell - they've quoted verbatim in court what he allegedly said when he allegedly arrived.

Remember all, this is still sub judice - be very careful.

One is a court drawing and one is a not too great image of a man from behind.

I'm certainly not saying it wasn't him or that there won't be fingerprints/DNA, just that it doesn't look to me like the same man.

Are you saying that you don’t think it was him because his beard is too long?

You don’t think there will be DNA and fingerprints?

It hardly seems like a well thought out or well executed crime.

Apologies, I hadn't seen that. Sorry @MarjorieWestriding . I haven't looked at any recent articles. What I'm hearing in passing is bad enough.

21 blows in 2 minutes.

bash back has a man with a hammer in the logo.

one of the polycule has a bash back badge and has said things which sound like it’s action plan

it will be interesting to see whether these things are linked

Hair grows and hair can be cut. Photos can be taken many years ago and shown to people at a later date.

21 hammer blows to the head sounds like personal hatred to me. Or a mental illness episode I guess.