'Heather' Herbert Charged Over Ann Widdecombe Comments

She did technically incite violence when saying to burn an immigrant hostel down didn’t she? On a weekend when people were burning hostels down? She might not have meant for anyone to actually do it but she said it so where do you draw the line?

That is more than a bit grim.

Oopsie Silly!

You seem to have completely and totally definitely by accident got that the wrong way round!

There's been a lot of that the last few days....

I don't think she should have gone to prison either. Punished, sure, a suspended sentence, but it seemed de trop.

Hopefully he'll go to prison, like that women did, can't remember her name but she was a councillors wife and put hateful remarks on her facebook page about migrants.

What are you referring to?

Any incitement of violence is against the law. I think “preaching hate” is less clear as that’s so subjective.

Is a TRA calling a gender critical person “transphobic “ hate speech or their belief and under freedom of speech? Is a gender critical person calling a Transwoman a “man “ hate speech or biological fact?

Theres a lot of gender critical people on here who have defended Herbert’s right to make the comments he made about Widdecombe. Until it’s clearer which comments he’s in trouble for it’s hard to say much more. It does however look like he’s previously made comments which are much more clearly incitement of violence.

In case you are struggling with reading comprehension, the vast majority of comments here are supporting freedom of speech including the freedom to be offensive.

Herbert has pushed the boundaries of decency repeatedly across social media and might be about to find out that actions have consequences. Or the charges will come to nothing and he can crow about it.

He also has the option to join the FSU who have said they'll take the case if his charges relate to freedom of speech which is an amazing offer by them.

And I can't see how that post disgusting as it was, merited an arrest and charge so there must be other things going on.

Evidence, please? Thanks.

This is the opposite of what has been happening for years.

But I too hope he joins the free speech union.

I have lots of likes for my post agreeing with the FSU offering to help Herbert if he joins.

Freedom of speech for me, but not for thee.
Transphobic individuals can incite violence on innocent people or preach hate and it’s not against the law but when someone else expresses their free speech it’s against the law.

He/She/They/ It whatever title is chosen is a vile member of the human race . No idea why so much attention is given to this keyboard warrior loser. Nasty bitter twisted sod . Hope there is jail involved.

Quick reminder not to speculate too much on the nature of the charge and likely guilt or innocence.

Scots Law is strict on contempt of court. If there is too much speculation then MN may have to take the thread down.

I’m sure you’re not alone in thinking this or something similar.

Yes, this was not what female a female said. It is typical of an aggressive male transwoman/transactivist. His sex is not irrelevant.

Thanks for the info, I ahem - have no prior experience of how it works!

My post was a little tongue in cheek though, given who we are discussing. 😉

I am very sure that Euan posted something about knowing what Bash Back had planned a while ago. Or that they knew something Bash Back were planning. Sorry it is so vague, my memory is not what it was.
Point is, I think Herbert and Euan are very much involved with Bash Back. And I think Bash Back may have been behind Ann's murder in some way. Even if only inciting someone else to act. As as the police are looking at them, finally, it looks as though they may be in trouble.

Bloody hell. He actually looks younger in a manky, troll sort of way.
I suppose having nothing much to worry you, except hating women does that to you. Oh dear, what a shame that has changed, boo hoo...

In the cell usually. Police aren't interested in pandering to people wanting in and out of their cells all day and night, it would become farcical.

The exception is where they turn the water off to prevent the person using an opportunity to remove forensic evidence from themselves. One that's been gathered, they have access to a loo and hand washing facilities again.

Glad to hear. Bet he is happy to make a fuss about hate speech but do it to others himself. The hater!

Good for them. That will be interesting to follow!

That is a really clever move, and entirely in keeping with their values. We should all support the FSU if we value democracy.

Nice move!