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Right-wing press perpetuating hate over Widdecombe

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YourHateIsShowing · 16/07/2026 08:41

The Daily Express and others claiming the reaction to Ann Widdecombe’s death has somehow “exposed the left” as hateful, is nonsense as usual.

There is hate on the left. Without question. There’s also hate on the right. There are totally extreme nut jobs on both sides, too. Neither side has a total monopoly on either. But I think it’s pretty lazy to not see past the noise and understand the origin of hatred on any side of conflict. Context is everything. And most can agree with that when it comes to certain situations. As a mother, I understand the hatred a mother would feel towards a drunk driver who ended their child’s life through one careless selfish decision to drive home from the pub intoxicated. Or for worse crimes we know exist. I’m using these examples simply to make the case that our value systems should be consistent. Not to imply the level of harm is the same in all cases. That would be an overreach.

Ann Widdecombe was a deeply controversial politician. She was unapologetic about her views on immigration, LGBTQ+ rights, welfare and poverty. I remember her response when challenged about people who couldn’t afford a cheese sandwich: her answer amounted to, “Don’t have a cheese sandwich then.” I’ve watched her for years as a speaker on right wing conservative talking points; she dedicated her life to politics, but very often in ways that supported the structural degradation of groups of already marginalised people in society. So I loathed what she stood for and I make no secret of that.
And why should others who were actually targeted or harmed by the spread of her views suddenly be expected to pretend she was a saint because of what happened to her? Or be quiet? Widdecombe was anything a saint and anything but quiet throughout her political career. Death doesn’t erase public record.

What I will say though, is this: what happened to her was awful. Abhorrent. What happened was utterly disgusting, AND so were her views on a lot of things. Views that had influence. That doesn’t mean she deserved what happened to her. I feel for her, and her family. She would have been scared. She has my empathy for that. In spades. But I certainly don’t think others who were the focus of her intolerance should be expected to rewrite history or suppress honest criticism of the suffering she supported within society, out of respect for some weird convention that says we should only speak well of the dead. I don’t buy into that.

I’m sure Ann loved her family, had close friends, and watered all her house plants. I don’t see the world in terms of heroes and villains. We can be either at any time under different circumstances. But for those who’ve maybe read 7 Habits of Highly Effective People, you may also find truth in the words of Covey who said “we are what we repeatedly do”. If you repeatedly lie, guess what? You’re a liar.

There’s truth in that, even though I mostly see people on a spectrum and not in the binary. I still see the small compounding decisions they repeatedly make, and more importantly how those decisions impact others. We can also accept conflicting ideas, where good people commit a bad act, for good reason. It’s complicated.
But overall, some people leave the world a tiny bit kinder, fairer and more compassionate as a result of those compounding decisions met with their sphere of influence. Others leave it more divided, more fearful or less equal. Most of us fall somewhere in between. And most have little influence outside our immediate circle.
Ann had more than the average bod, so I hold her and other public figures to a higher standard. She didn’t stack up, for me.

Ann Widdecombe accepted and even defended policy that saw totally unnecessary poverty and hunger (children included), in the 6th richest country in the world. She stood against abortion in cases of rape. And she consistently fought against gay rights. She repeatedly contributed to this. This is who she was. What she stood for. And what those who support her stand for.

So what the right read as hatred among the left today, in the wake of this awful event that brought her world views into sharp focus, I read as an intolerance not of her skin colour, or her sexual orientation, or her nationality, but of all she stood for and against; all she was intolerant of in people without choices.

Karl Popper’s paradox of tolerance explains this best, I think. If you’ve not come across it, it’s essentially characterised by an intolerance of intolerance itself. The difference is this: to be intolerant of someone’s skin colour, ethnicity, or other things they cannot change, such as their sexual orientation, or even level of poverty, certainly if you’re still a child born into it, is not the same as having an intolerance of those who punch down at them from a place of privilege.

Ann Widdecombe was openly homophobic and believed science should one day cure it, as if being gay were a disease to be eradicated. That’s a profound intolerance of something people cannot change. The same cannot be said of a worldview built on prejudice, bigotry or theocratic ideology. Those are beliefs. They’re decisions. They can be questioned, challenged and changed. Even after death. And if she and others like her directed more of their intolerance towards harmful ideas, rather than towards people for who they are, and for that which they cannot change, we’d have less hatred on both sides. But the root of that hatred, is glaringly obvious when you actually take the time to analyse it. Spoiler alert: it’s not coming from the left.

So this headline can get in the bin.
Where it belongs.

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PaperWalkAndTalk · 21/07/2026 15:35

PrettyDamnCosmic · 21/07/2026 15:14

Now the alleged killer has been charged that's pretty much all that can be reported about the case without being in contempt of court. UK laws are very different to the US where all sorts of speculation in the media about a criminal case is permitted that would be illegal in the UK.

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The investigation and then political outrage over safety of politicians would've been one of the main headlines, so not going near the specific case, but instead the media quickly buried it.

The media know how to report with court restrictions, but just decided instead to try to bury it. When you contrast this to the reporting of the "far-right" terror plot in Suffolk where all charges related to the event were dropped after the initial big announcement in the media.

ShutupLwren · 21/07/2026 15:33

I have just seen how Ann was murdered and I can’t believe the brutality.
I don’t think a differing political stance is enough to be able to kill someone so horrifically. It’s the stuff of nightmares, I don’t like plenty of politicians but I can’t imagine taking a hammer to Nigel Farage because I disagree with his opinions. I would only be able to do that if I can a deep longing to murder someone. I believe Ann’s killer must have had a desire to kill a woman. A elderly and vulnerable woman.
Cowardly spineless bastard.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 21/07/2026 15:17

I find it hard to believe that the Russian Communist party (for that was where the literature found in his home seemed to originate) would want to target Reform, whom they must surely regard as a positive godsend for them, nearly as good as the Brexit vote they were so active in engineering.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 21/07/2026 15:14

PaperWalkAndTalk · 21/07/2026 15:01

I notice how the alleged killer is believed to be of the "left" that the media quickly buried the story and instead focused on "far-right" terrorism.

Now the alleged killer has been charged that's pretty much all that can be reported about the case without being in contempt of court. UK laws are very different to the US where all sorts of speculation in the media about a criminal case is permitted that would be illegal in the UK.

PaperWalkAndTalk · 21/07/2026 15:01

I notice how the alleged killer is believed to be of the "left" that the media quickly buried the story and instead focused on "far-right" terrorism.

SeaAndSangria · 21/07/2026 11:16

WiddleWaWa · 16/07/2026 12:48

Where did I say God has a plan for your life? I believe you should live your life how ever you wish and that is between you and him, its absolutely non of my buisness and I would never give you my opinion on that as its not my place.

And my views on marriage are that you should be allowed to have a full legal wedding with all the same legal protections as a straight wedding. The only difference being that I feel it may not be appropriate for it to be held in a Church setting but obviously you feel the same way about that, you've made it very clear a church wedding wouldn't be right for your beliefs.

So not sure, again., where the homophobia comes in when I am telling you that as a fellow human being and woman, I love you and support you to live the life you want to live, i am so happy that you found love with your female partner and I believe you should be legally entitled to every protection a straight person has within marriage and every other law.

Where did I say God has a plan for your life?

Here - you're saying that God has a plan and to how you should live your life under God.

I believe that it would be Gods preference for you to be with a man

You're completely entitled to your belief, but at least own your own words.

anyolddinosaur · 21/07/2026 10:21

I dont know how to see that archived version - and I'd like to. Can anyone fix the link?

LuckyHazelFox · 21/07/2026 09:06

Obanotters · 21/07/2026 09:04

Hope not hate are clearly keen to promote hate.

They are stirrers and get off on division.

Obanotters · 21/07/2026 09:04

Hope not hate are clearly keen to promote hate.

nicepotoftea · 21/07/2026 08:24

Lalgarh · 21/07/2026 08:10

Hope Not Hate had a page on Widdecombe that they deleted. I was familiar with them supposedly tracking active neo Nazis (I'm not sure how they relate to searchlight etc) so I don't know why they were grouping her in that

This is the archived version

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20260710183127/hopenothate.org.uk/chapter/who-is-ann-widdecombe/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/web/20260710183127/hopenothate.org.uk/chapter/who-is-ann-widdecombe/

And in terms of monitoring divisive rabble rousers that damage community cohesion they are very light in covering active homophobic Islamist agitators like Akhmed Yaqoob who hold views far more aggressive than anything Widdecombe came up with.

https://youtube.com/shorts/F59REntbZdc?is=2XBvXiacVXjA1Z5l

Very unclear how this web page is supposed to promote hope, not hate.

On the other hand, in what is presumably quoted as a homophobic remark, AW says:

I have never understood why supposedly intelligent interviewers express surprise that I have gay male friends. As I point out, if I chose my friends on the basis that I must first agree with all their views and choices then I would have to exclude not only homosexuals but all those who are divorced, living in sin, having children out of wedlock, having abortions (that one is quite difficult), known to have taken drugs, hilding strong left-wing views and certainly unbelievers"

Very confusing.

Lalgarh · 21/07/2026 08:10

Hope Not Hate had a page on Widdecombe that they deleted. I was familiar with them supposedly tracking active neo Nazis (I'm not sure how they relate to searchlight etc) so I don't know why they were grouping her in that

This is the archived version

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20260710183127/hopenothate.org.uk/chapter/who-is-ann-widdecombe/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/web/20260710183127/hopenothate.org.uk/chapter/who-is-ann-widdecombe/

And in terms of monitoring divisive rabble rousers that damage community cohesion they are very light in covering active homophobic Islamist agitators like Akhmed Yaqoob who hold views far more aggressive than anything Widdecombe came up with.

https://youtube.com/shorts/F59REntbZdc?is=2XBvXiacVXjA1Z5l

Who is Ann Widdecombe? – HOPE not hate

Despite remaking her image in recent years through her appearances on reality TV shows, Widdecombe has a long history of homophobic and sexist remarks that...

https://web.archive.org/web/20260710183127/https://hopenothate.org.uk/chapter/who-is-ann-widdecombe/

SevenYellowHammers · 21/07/2026 00:49

My political beliefs are the antithesis of Miss Widdercombe’s but I am sad and sorry that her last moments were so horrible.

The BBC’s report on the arrest of a suspect show him standing in front of an academic or medical whiteboard on which the word “Covid” seems to be repeatedly written.

AW wasn’t an all out anti vaxer but was opposed to lockdowns and vaccination passports. Maybe a clue to his motive?

Again, I am not for a minute suggesting this justifies the vicious attack but am wondering if there’s a link.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 20/07/2026 18:41

Sounds to me like a take on the old question about whether the end justifies the means, and vice versa.

Grammarnut · 20/07/2026 18:17

ButFirstTea · 16/07/2026 09:08

What you've quoted is in no way advocating for murder? It says two things are disgusting, one of those things being the murder itself?

This point is the justification for political murder:
'We can also accept conflicting ideas, where good people commit a bad act, for good reason. It’s complicated.'
Means: some good people do bad things (murder, for example) for good reasons (person murdered was wicked so their murder by a 'good' person is justified).

Obanotters · 19/07/2026 08:19

GlomOfNit · 18/07/2026 23:14

Sorry, but what has this post/topic to do with sex and gender discussions?

Not the link OP intended but the ideology of the murderer.

SionnachRuadh · 18/07/2026 23:25

LuckyHazelFox · 18/07/2026 22:52

I'm sure I saw that a Hope not Hate ex associate is going to be heading Labour strategy. I did almost spit my tea out when I read it. When the left talk about division, it's of their own making and HNH are right up there for being amongst the worst baiting culprits.

Nick Lowles is scum. I have even less to say about his sidekick Dan Hodges. In a sane society, they would be held in as much contempt as Carl Benjamin. Maybe more, because while the Ayatollah of Swindon might be a misogynist git who platforms white nationalists, he hasn't made it his job to destroy the lives of people who disagree with his politics.

Carl Benjamin is blacklisted from joining the Reform Party.

Nick Lowles is funded by the British government and enjoys easy access to the top levels of the Labour Party and the state media.

Spot the difference.

GlomOfNit · 18/07/2026 23:14

Sorry, but what has this post/topic to do with sex and gender discussions?

ChestnutSquash · 18/07/2026 23:06

Jess Phillips is a source of huge disappointment. How on earth do these people of so little intelligence and no principles manage to get into the actual government? It is all smoke and mirrors and the motivation is self aggrandisement. The others are all just as bad. As are the last government, the Lib Dems and Reform. What an absolute shower they all are. I have nobody to vote for and it is infuriating.

Bertiebiscuit · 18/07/2026 23:06

WiddleWaWa · 16/07/2026 09:19

Ann W : Doesn't support gay marriage, but has gay friends. Wouldn't attend a gay civil ceremony but her secretary accidently CC'd the grooms into a conversation where AW asked her secretary to refuse the invitation as kindly as possible as she didn't want to hurt their feelings.

This woman stood by her convictions but was not hateful.

Hateful would be to say that gay people should be put to death. Again, see how long a gay couple last in Palestine.

The hypocrisy from the left is just unbelievable.

And there is always that famous 'BUT'
Charlie Kirk didn't deserve to die BUT
Ann W didn't deserve to die BUT

But what? BUT WHAT?

There is no but. That is the full sentance. Nobody deserves to die for having an opinion or a belief.

And those are the KINDER lefties. The radical ones are openly rejoicing in the violent murder of a frail old woman in her own home! (Yes Mr Heather Uni loony I am looking at you)

Funny how the left and their Transwomen take womens spaces. Take their awards. Take their safety in private spaces. Bring drag queens into kids librarys and schools. Dress like dogs on leads at FAMILY pride in full leather. Have men invade womens Prisons. Hospitals wards etc... and nobody on the right says 'they don't deserve to be killed BUT'

The left and the men that perpetuate this farce are cauing genuine physical and mental harm to women and children and that is seen as a lesser crime (or no crime at all) but when women/men speak out against it, its somehow an understandable consequence of that, that they might be VIOLENTLY KILLED and thats just something they should consider before voicing their opinions

ITS SICKENING

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100% this

LuckyHazelFox · 18/07/2026 22:52

SionnachRuadh · 18/07/2026 22:18

Jess Phillips has never exactly been a deep thinker.

You don't have to go to obscure parts of the dark web to find lefties using violent or dehumanising language about anyone belonging to the outgroup. I'm not currently on Facebook, but I used to have loads of lefty activist types on my FB, and it was absolutely routine - I'd say at least a weekly occurrence - to see them gloating over the death of political opponents. (And not even political opponents - they did it for Terry Wogan ffs. I have no idea what Terry Wogan ever did to offend them)

Do you get similar shitty behaviour from right wingers? Of course, because shitty behaviour doesn't follow ideological lines - but I get the sense there's less of it, and besides, if an obscure Reform councillor in the Bumfuck division of Cornwall has a dodgy tweet, this will be occasion for a four-klaxon alert from Hope Not Hate and screaming headlines from the Guardian and BBC. If it's a very senior and high-profile Labour MP - crickets.

I'm sure I saw that a Hope not Hate ex associate is going to be heading Labour strategy. I did almost spit my tea out when I read it. When the left talk about division, it's of their own making and HNH are right up there for being amongst the worst baiting culprits.

SionnachRuadh · 18/07/2026 22:18

Jess Phillips has never exactly been a deep thinker.

You don't have to go to obscure parts of the dark web to find lefties using violent or dehumanising language about anyone belonging to the outgroup. I'm not currently on Facebook, but I used to have loads of lefty activist types on my FB, and it was absolutely routine - I'd say at least a weekly occurrence - to see them gloating over the death of political opponents. (And not even political opponents - they did it for Terry Wogan ffs. I have no idea what Terry Wogan ever did to offend them)

Do you get similar shitty behaviour from right wingers? Of course, because shitty behaviour doesn't follow ideological lines - but I get the sense there's less of it, and besides, if an obscure Reform councillor in the Bumfuck division of Cornwall has a dodgy tweet, this will be occasion for a four-klaxon alert from Hope Not Hate and screaming headlines from the Guardian and BBC. If it's a very senior and high-profile Labour MP - crickets.

EasternStandard · 18/07/2026 21:45

OpheliaWasntMad · 18/07/2026 10:01

@YourHateIsShowing

This is an example of the way the left wing demonised Ann Widdicombe and ultimately made her murder possible
https://x.com/jessphillips/status/6041684420853760?s=20

What was she thinking? It’s her own political name she’s posting with.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 18/07/2026 18:23

DrudgeJedd · 18/07/2026 15:52

So this man is politically engaged and a recluse but no sign of any social media use apart from his name on that petition?
Yeah, I'm sure that's very likely rather than the police not releasing his name until all trace of him has been scrubbed.
I wonder what his user name is on cookd & bombd, (a horrible forum for failed comedians & virulent misogynists, who think they're the good guys even when they're laughing at a 78yo woman being violently murdered.)
They also like to keep an eye on us & their TRAs pop by occasionally, absolute psychopaths👋🏼
Laughing at murder

Apologies, I don’t understand your point.
Presumably there could be lots of traces of him on social media, but under different posting names so he won’t be immediately publicly identifiable. The police must have much more info on him from his phone or computer but it won’t be released.

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