EHRC code on single sex spaces comes into force on 5th August 2026

Transwomen are males with penis and testicles. Why do you think this male should be in changing rooms or battered womens shelters with women, little girls and rape survivors like me, just because he's wearing a dress?

Exactly. We know the tactic by now so for me there can be no ground conceded.

I actually think that the idea of allowing transwomen to use female toilets but be excluded from female changing rooms, sports prisons etc is cruel. Why, yes Beryl, of course you can use the Ladies loo, where else could you possibly go….oh but no PC Beryl you cannot intimately search this prisoner because you are male/cannot join the ladies cricket team/cannot provide intimate care to this non verbal female patient etc etc

Much better to encourage everyone to remember that irrespective of mutable gender identities biological sex is real and is how we determine who can use certain spaces, facilities and opportunities. By all means if you believe in gender identity, fill yet boots, but don’t be fooled into thinking that sex is a nebulous dog whistle.

They know that actually a lot of people don’t care about toilets but do care about prisons, changing rooms sports, intimate care, hospitals etc.

So toilets is the ‘issue’ that they hope will be conceded that will then open the door yet again to all those other areas.

Exactly, once the door is opened to one female only space the argument will be if they are women for that space then they are women for all other spaces and services - access all areas.

Cold hard fact is transwomen are not women, never have been and never will be and women only spaces, services and sports do not include them. If they don't want to access the spaces, services and sports that do include them, the ones for the males they are - tough, they can either campaign for additional provision or go without, their choice.

They know that actually a lot of people don’t care about toilets but do care about prisons, changing rooms sports, intimate care, hospitals etc.

So toilets is the ‘issue’ that they hope will be conceded that will then open the door yet again to all those other areas.

You surely have heard the phrase “good men stay out so bad men stand out”. It’s the social contract. We exclude ALL men from certain spaces.

And if bad men will not be deterred by a sign on the door then there is absolutely no reason that transwomen can’t use the male toilets….after all the men who want to harm them could just follow hem into the female loos.

Transwomen are male. Women are female. We seperate facilities such as toilets and changing rooms by sex which is real and immutable. We do not seperate those facilities by gender or gender identity because there are far too many of those (is it still over 70?? 🤔) and so would be impractical and folks like me don’t have a gender identity.

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AI nonsense, it’s just so jarring and irritating, at least come up with your own nonsensical arguments about why men should be prioritised.

Amplifying this because it's worth repeating.

How come women's toilets don't do anything to keep bad men out when it's just women who want them, but magically do when it's transwomen who want them?

I don't consider having a social identity of "someone with a female body who thinks like a trans woman" to be at all dignified thank you. I consider it to be as insulting and demeaning as being told to "make me a sandwich" or "get the coffess there's a good girl" or any of the other micro agressions that go with having a female body in a still often sexist culture.

As someone who does not identify as a "woman" in the sense that Genderists mean it, I do not consider it "dignified" that I have to share unclothed spaces or potentially be forced to accept intimate care from a person with whom I share neither sex nor gender simply because he thinks we do. I consider it marginalising, disempowering and misogynistic.

Why is my dignity and self determination of less value than his? Why do I have to be reduced to whatever it is a man thinks a woman is?

Genuinely interested
😂
(I would do it bigly but I don't know how)

Look.

The one thing I know with 100% certainty that transwomen don't think is necessary to be a woman is a female body.

And that means that whatever this new and improved meaning of the word "woman" is that now also includes male people, it's not especially relevant any more to the needs and lived experiences of the people who do have female bodies.

We might overlap in the venn diagram, sure, but we overlap with various male bodied people in all sorts of ways (hobbies, jobs, clothes, politics, music, nationalities, race... pretty much anything other than the things directly determined by our bodies really). So "woman" just becomes another of the many things an individual female person may or may not be, and may or may not have in common with male people.

So, I don't actually need to know what "being a woman" specifically is to trans women, because just by knowing what it is not I already know that the thing that I consider significant and important in the original definition of woman is excluded.

I already know that whatever it is it has to be mental rather than physical, so I already know that it falls under the old sexist ideas about some ways of thinking being inherently innate to and correct for "women" and other ways being inherently innate to and correct for "men".

And that means I don't need to know exactly what it is to nevetheless know that trying to replace the original female-specific version of "woman" with this new male-inclusive version makes it less relevant to the realities of female people and also to reduces the diversity of "women"'s minds into a sexiat subset of our true diversity.

Yeah, not signing up to be reduced to that thank you.

In which case it is men who need to change their behaviour. Men who need to learn to accept other men who present differently or have different beliefs to themselves. It is not women’s job to provide cover or comfort or whatever to men who fear other men.

This.
It's not up to women to make boundary-violating men feel comfortable.
The answer is no. Move on.

If single sex toilets dont reduce the risk of male violence, then TW dont want to use the ladies to reduce their risk of male violence.

So they want to use women toilets just to be near women and girls?

And this is one of the reasons women need male-free facilities.
Because of men who threaten violence because women say no to them.

Single sex spaces are justified and designed around being for one sex only.

Therefore if men are allowed in women's spaces, its not longer fit for purpose and doesn't perform as a single sex space.

If people want to design spaces around gender - for female people and men who want to be women, they need to justify why and design the space in a way they keep it safe for everyone. Thats not pretending that men arent using the space, or that the men arent actually men.

Good luck.

Listening to any number of male people telling us how they feel they are really a woman proves only that they believe that. I'm sure a good many of them quite sincerely do. But it doesn't prove that they actually are a woman.

In fact it is all entirely meaningless unless we can define what a "woman" is. Because unless we know that, none of us - and that includes you and me - can know whether we are one or not. This is not just about transgender people.

So are you a woman or not, and how do you know one way or the other?
I'm not expecting you to tell me which you are, if you're not comfortable with that, merely asking what criteria you use to distinguish women from men and to place yourself in one category or the other (or in neither).

I see we’ve also had the ‘is this really the most important thing?’ which seems to come up a lot at the moment. I expect there’s a list somewhere.

Oh I see the 'if men want to commit an offence against women they'll do it anyway' trope has arrived. What rubbish. Mum2boys' postulating has all been heard many times before. Ad nauseum

I do not care whether a man is in a dress, whether he's lovely, caring and very sweet, I do not want MEN in my spaces- any Womens' spaces, not just loos!!!
TW may have been using our spaces but they DO get noticed. Maybe no woman has wanted to challenge and risk a a 'punch' in the 'f ing face' a la SJ Baker?? Added to this, maybe people are thinking of the 'old school transexuals' who maybe did live their lives quietly? The new 'transgender' people are much louder, more aggressive and have been violent.
Posters who jump on here to pontificate and attempt to censure us for "transphobia" need to read a bit more. Can I suggest " break it down for me" on the FWR board? There are some excellent, well-informed women on FWR. Not forgetting @Keeptoiletssafe if anyone wants to know more about loos.
Go on, have a read.

TW are not women! They never have been and never will be.
Why is this so bloody hard to understand?

Well, that was interesting! I finally got an answer to one of my questions!

So, you've heard it from someone who clearly knows all about it:

1- Being transgender isn't about believing women wear dresses or act a certain way; it's about a person's gender identity

and

2- No, I can't look inside someone's head and tell you whether they're genuinely transgender or lying. Neither can you.

And, yet, without a shadow of a doubt:

3- Transgender women are women. They are not pretending, and they are not entering women's spaces to cause harm.

Thanks @Mum2boys01 It's very clear now. If you could answer my other questions, that would be great, but I appreciate your time.

Mammals cannot change sex.
Human beings are mammals.

Therefore, every biological male human will remain male their whole life. It doesn't matter what body modification they undergo, what they identify as, what they truly believe or how unhappy they are being male. They're still male.

The same goes for female people, they also stay female their whole life.

Decent people obey the law. The EA2010 has been clarified - it is the law and always was. The guidance comes into force on 5th August 2026. I have some sympathy as the law was misrepresented by groups such as Stonewall, but this misrepresentation is now well known. Any decent person - no matter what their identity - will use the single-sex facilities for their actual sex (not the sex they wish they were) or unisex facilities if they prefer.

Because women are 51% of the population and transwomen about 0.5%.

One trans woman (male person)using single sex spaces set aside for females has an effect on all the women on that space.

It is about giving half of the human race dignity and respect due to their sexed differences and additional vulnerability.

Trans women should never have been in female only spaces. They are NOT female.

They should have campaigned for third spaces rather than expecting all women would be comfortable to budge up and make our spaces less safe and comfortable for us.

Which is what happens if you decide to let in any man on his say so.

@Mum2boys01
So the answer is to treat all transwomen as dangerous predatory men?

This is worthy of a response too.

No - the answer is to treat all men as men. The dangerous predatory ones, and the safe ones, the "transwomen" who are safe men, and the "transwomen" who are dangerous and predatory. All men, all treated alike.

This argument, that a man who wants to assault a women won't be stopped by a sign - profoundly misunderstands how crime happens.

Men don't wake up in the morning and decide "today's the day I'm going to find a woman to assault."

Crime happens when people are enabled - when they feel comfortable doing it - and when they think they might get away with it. If you make men feel comfortable in a women's facility, by believing, acting, and encouraging them to be there, saying they belong, then it can tip anyone on the verge of committing a crime into doing so. And it can make the crime that they commit, worse. Instead of staying outside, they go inside. Instead of just staring, they touch. Instead of touching they, use force, and so on.

Well-lit carparks: Nobody who has decided to break into a car is going to be put off by good lighting: it just helps them pick the car more easily!

Cash-boxes with locks: Nobody who has decided to steal money is going to be put off by a cheap lock on a cash box - they'll just steal the box!

Assaults on staff: Nobody who wants to assault a staff member is going to be put off by a little sign!

There are a million ways to reduce - not prevent entirely - but reduce crime. And one way is to make the environment uncomfortable for potential criminals. The more uncomfortable they feel - the less welcome - the more likely they are to turn around and go home.

If you want to encourange assaults on women by men in women's facilities - just make men feel comfortable there.

@Mum2boys01

It's about where people are able to live their everyday lives with dignity and safety.

Indeed, and "people" includes women, not just trans people.

Most trans women are not trying to make a statement or invade anyone's space

They do, though. They are not female; they do not belong in female single-sex spaces. Every time they enter one, they invade it.

It's also worth asking why the discomfort of one group is treated as automatically more important than the safety and dignity of another.

Female single-sex spaces are literally made for women. Women are literally the only ones supposed to use them. Saying, 'but what about some men?" is entirely against the very spirit of single-sex spaces.

The aim should be creating spaces where everyone is treated respectfully,

Go ask transwomen if they want third spaces where they'll be safe yet away from women. Be ready for a shock.