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EHRC code on single sex spaces comes into force on 5th August 2026

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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 15/07/2026 10:16

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2026/788/pdfs/uksi_20260788_en.pdf

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2026/788/pdfs/uksi_20260788_en.pdf

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MyAmpleSheep · 19/07/2026 11:55

Trans-identifying women are still women and are welcome in women’s facilities. Even if they have a full beard and wear trousers.

its easy. Use the correct facilities for your sex. Everyone.

Mum2boys01 · 19/07/2026 11:53

spannasaurus · 19/07/2026 11:51

Do you think surgery or hormones are required for a person to get a GRC or to have the PC of gender reassignment ?

No

Keeptoiletssafe · 19/07/2026 11:53

The obsession with converting toilet designs to a free for all has been flouting building regulations, which are founded on health and safety. This has led to a decline in health and safety, particularly for women and children and those having medical emergencies.

For those planning refurbishments in England:

This section deals with requirement Tl from Part T of Schedule 1 to the Building Regulations 2010.

Requirement
Toilet accommodation
T1. (1) Toilet accommodation in buildings other than dwellings
(a) must consist of
(i) reasonable provision for male and female single-sex toilets, or
(i) where space precludes provision of single-sex toilets, universal toilets, and
(b) may consist of universal toilets in addition to single-sex toilets.
(2) In this requirement—
"single-sex toilet" means toilet facilities which
(a) are intended for the exclusive use of persons of the same sex, and
(b) provide washbasins and hand-drying facilities in
(i) either the toilet room or cubicle, or
(i) a separate area intended for use only by persons of that sex.
"universal toilet" means toilet facilities which—
(a) are provided in a fully enclosed room which contains a water closet and washbasin and hand-drying facilities, and
(b) is intended for individual use by persons of either sex.

Caveat: of course there are certain exemptions (schools mainly), so take further advice.

Seethlaw · 19/07/2026 11:53

Mum2boys01 · 19/07/2026 11:48

Claim?? Is there a stat out there I am not aware of where men are just claiming to be women for the hell of it? I darent ask if people think being gay is a choice too

Literally, the definition of "being trans" is someone stating, "I am trans." That's it, nothing more is necessary.

And no, being gay is not a choice. But being gay doesn't lead anyone to trampling other people's rights. Being trans does lead some trans people to ignoring and trampling women's and LGB people's rights. So, no comparison.

spannasaurus · 19/07/2026 11:53

Mum2boys01 · 19/07/2026 11:52

What if a trans man is in a woman's space. They take hormones in order to aid their transition they may have had surgery but this law will allow them in a female space

That would be a woman in a women's space

FlirtsWithRhinos · 19/07/2026 11:52

Mum2boys01 · 19/07/2026 11:40

Men have been undergoing genital surgery and getting boob jobs in order to attack women?

No, they are doing it because they have the sexist idea that certain types of mind and certain ways of thinking belong in certain types of body, and if you think the "wong" way for your actual sex then you have the wrong body and you need to change it.

Which is of course attacking women by reducing how we are understood to sexist stereotypes even if they do not frame it that way.

(Well, some do. Some are just fetishists. It's a great big diverse world out there and trans "women" are not all coming from the same place.)

Either way, I don't think anyone would suggest a man wearing a t shirt with a sexist slogan should be accomodated by women having to behave around in him in line with his sexist beliefs as if they were actually true, and I don't think it's any different just because the sexism is expressed through surgery rather than slogans.

MyAmpleSheep · 19/07/2026 11:52

Mum2boys01 · 19/07/2026 11:48

Claim?? Is there a stat out there I am not aware of where men are just claiming to be women for the hell of it? I darent ask if people think being gay is a choice too

It doesn’t matter why men claiming to be women do so. It could be “for the hell of it”, because “I’m bored on Thursdays” (Philip “Pips” Bunce I’m looking at you) or because it’s the only way they’re able to look on a mirror.

It doesn’t matter why.

Theyre all still men.

Mum2boys01 · 19/07/2026 11:52

spannasaurus · 19/07/2026 11:49

The concern is about men in women's spaces.

What if a trans man is in a woman's space. They take hormones in order to aid their transition they may have had surgery but this law will allow them in a female space

spannasaurus · 19/07/2026 11:51

Mum2boys01 · 19/07/2026 11:48

Claim?? Is there a stat out there I am not aware of where men are just claiming to be women for the hell of it? I darent ask if people think being gay is a choice too

Do you think surgery or hormones are required for a person to get a GRC or to have the PC of gender reassignment ?

MyAmpleSheep · 19/07/2026 11:50

Mum2boys01 · 19/07/2026 11:40

Men have been undergoing genital surgery and getting boob jobs in order to attack women?

Now you are being disingenuous. You know full well that the vast majority of men claiming to be women and wanting access to women’s facilities don’t have and don’t want any kind of surgical intervention.

spannasaurus · 19/07/2026 11:49

Mum2boys01 · 19/07/2026 11:49

Is the concern only trans women or trans men too? What if a trans man comes into a female space which they have the right to do?

The concern is about men in women's spaces.

Mum2boys01 · 19/07/2026 11:49

Is the concern only trans women or trans men too? What if a trans man comes into a female space which they have the right to do?

Mum2boys01 · 19/07/2026 11:48

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/07/2026 11:46

Er, you do know there’s no requirement to have any medical treatment for men to claim to be “trans”?

Claim?? Is there a stat out there I am not aware of where men are just claiming to be women for the hell of it? I darent ask if people think being gay is a choice too

Mum2boys01 · 19/07/2026 11:47

I dont think at any point I have said anything about not protecting women at all. The big issue is that I believe a trans woman has the right to female spaces because I recognise them as being female. I have not suggested single sex prisons or anything other than that. Trans people are 4 times more likely to be attacked than any cis woman. Thats a stat. Ignore it if you wish.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/07/2026 11:46

Er, you do know there’s no requirement to have any medical treatment for men to claim to be “trans”?

Mum2boys01 · 19/07/2026 11:40

PrettyDamnCosmic · 19/07/2026 10:43

So the answer is to treat all transwomen as dangerous predatory men?

Yes, because that is how safeguarding works. Why do you think that there are single sex toilets in the first place? It's to keep out dangerous predatory men even though 99% of men are not dangerous & predatory.

Men who would like to be women have only been barging into the Ladies since they first gained access to oestrogen, boob jobs & genital surgery about 50-60 years ago. This invasion has increased markedly in the last 10-15 years as dangerous predatory men have discovered that they had carte blanche to access the Ladies once they claimed a female identity.

Men have been undergoing genital surgery and getting boob jobs in order to attack women?

EmpressaurusKitty · 19/07/2026 11:05

If someone harasses, assaults, or intimidates another person in a toilet, that behaviour is already illegal and should be dealt with regardless of that person's gender identity.

Excellent, so any trans-identifying male who has trouble in the men’s toilet can just report it to the police.

@Mum2boys01, has it occurred to you that if you, very rightly, believe in single sex prisons & refuges the TRAs will condemn you as a terf?

James Morton was quite open about the Scottish TRAs starting with trying to get trans-identifying males into women’s prisons because that was the thin end of the wedge. Fuck the women prisoners, their safety & wellbeing weren’t remotely important in this.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 19/07/2026 10:43

Mum2boys01 · 18/07/2026 20:53

So the answer is to treat all transwomen as dangerous predatory men?

So the answer is to treat all transwomen as dangerous predatory men?

Yes, because that is how safeguarding works. Why do you think that there are single sex toilets in the first place? It's to keep out dangerous predatory men even though 99% of men are not dangerous & predatory.

Men who would like to be women have only been barging into the Ladies since they first gained access to oestrogen, boob jobs & genital surgery about 50-60 years ago. This invasion has increased markedly in the last 10-15 years as dangerous predatory men have discovered that they had carte blanche to access the Ladies once they claimed a female identity.

Wishesandhorses · 19/07/2026 09:53

If you genuinely want to understand why trans women describe themselves as women, the best people to ask are trans women themselves.

If you genuinely want to understand why women say no, and need single sex spaces, the best people to ask are women themselves.

Lots of threads here explaining.

Hundreds of them.

Men's voices really don't matter more, unless you're into male supremacy.

Pingponghavoc · 19/07/2026 08:26

Its always good to remind ourselves of bewilderness rules of misogyny.

  1. Women are responsible for what men do.
  2. Women saying no to men is a hate crime.
  3. Women speaking for themselves are exclusionary and selfish.
  4. Women’s opinions are violence against men, thus male violence against women is justified.
  5. Women and Feminism must be useful to men or they are worthless.
  6. Women who go around being female AT men by menstruating and breastfeeding babies deserve punishment.
  7. Women should always be grateful to men for everything.
  8. Men are whatever men say they are and women are whatever men say they are.
  9. Men always know the “real reasons” for everything women do and say.
10. The worst thing about male violence is that it makes men look bad. 11. Whatever women suffer from, it is worse when it happens to men. 12. Women’s ability to recognize male behavior patterns is misandry. 13. Angry women are crazy. Angry men have trouble expressing themselves. 14. Women have all the rights they need: The right to remain silent. 15. Men are the default human. Women are strange subhuman others. 16. Everyone owns and controls women’s bodies except the women themselves.

Transgenderism is the idea that men can become women. The justification to come to that conclusion, and how and when they achieve 'woman' covers nearly all of these rules.

For men to be women, the definition of women has to change from sex to something else.

For men to be entitled to use women's spaces, the purpose of these spaces needs to be redefined.

Its easy to say that it makes no difference for women to accommodate these men, but its not in practice. Everything has to change.

RoseInAPot · 19/07/2026 08:22

As many posters on these boards have pointed out hundreds of times:

It isn’t the space, whether a toilet, changing room, or a prison, that is the resource that these men want to use, it’s the WOMEN.

The WOMEN are the resource; without our presence it’s just a space, which is why they don’t want so called ‘gender neutral’ facilities.

OldCrone · 19/07/2026 08:17

Obanotters · 19/07/2026 08:02

If you genuinely want to understand why trans women describe themselves as women, the best people to ask are trans women themselves.

And when you do it always comes down to sex - the act of sex not reproductive category. Every time.

Yes. I forgot about Juno Dawson on my previous list.

"I just wanted to get f**d like a woman. That's what it's about. It's not about what hole it's going in"

All my life I thought I was a gay man – but according to Juno Dawson in Attitude today, I'm actually a trans woman | The Independent | The Independent

All my life I thought I was a gay man, but according to Juno Dawson's Attitude interview, I'm now a trans woman

'A lot of gay men are gay men as a consolation prize, because they couldn't be women,' says Dawson, while apparently unaware that that forms the basis for the violent oppression of gay men in Iran

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/juno-dawson-attitude-magazine-interview-transgender-gay-man-lgbt-trans-woman-a7752701.html

Obanotters · 19/07/2026 08:02

If you genuinely want to understand why trans women describe themselves as women, the best people to ask are trans women themselves.

And when you do it always comes down to sex - the act of sex not reproductive category. Every time.

OldCrone · 19/07/2026 07:53

Mum2boys01 · 18/07/2026 21:37

If you genuinely want to understand why trans women describe themselves as women, the best people to ask are trans women themselves. I’m not one, so I wouldn’t pretend to speak for their personal experience.
But this is also why listening matters. Many people form opinions about transgender people without ever having spoken to one or considered what their day-to-day experience is actually like.
The basis for recognising trans women as women comes from a combination of how gender identity is understood in psychology and medicine, the lived experiences of transgender people, and the way many societies have chosen to recognise and include them. People can debate how that should apply in specific situations, but dismissing someone’s identity as simply pretending avoids engaging with the reality of their lives.
Sometimes the most useful question is not just "what proof do you have?" but also "have I listened to the people whose lives I’m making claims about?"

If you genuinely want to understand why trans women describe themselves as women, the best people to ask are trans women themselves.

The problem is, we know far too much about what transwomen think a woman is.

Here's Andrea Long Chu for example. See also what men like Julia Serano, Grace Lavery and Paris Lees have said about being a woman.

If they want people to think they're really women, they're not doing themselves any favours.

EHRC code on single sex spaces comes into force on 5th August 2026
LunaShip · 19/07/2026 03:44

Mum2boys01 · 18/07/2026 21:00

Thats a good question! But appears mumsnet have decided the answer is just to ensure transpeople feel really awkward about peeing.

No, it's to keep males out of female spaces. Why do you believe women, girls and rape and trauma survivors should have no place away from males? Why?

Can you tell me why?