EHRC code on single sex spaces comes into force on 5th August 2026

If the transwoman is told not to go in there and does, that's potentially a public order offence, harassment or trespass. If providers of facilities allow it, it's the provider that could be prosecuted.

It's unlikely there will have been any cases yet because the SC ruling was only last year and everyone has been waiting for the guidance. But it's here now so there's no excuse, for either trans people or providers of facilities. There is no 'just using the loo and leaving', transwomen are not allowed in women only spaces.

That’s not what I asked though. I’m specifically talking about trans women who just use the toilet and leave.

What the guidance does is make it clear that there is no excuse for a man to be in a women’s space so if he is then he is up to no good.

Word.

There are cases of trans-identified men being prosecuted for the acts they've committed while in women's spaces.

But this isn't necessarily about prosecuting trans people (although I'm sure there is the capacity to do so if someone was to insist on accessing a space that wasn't for them). It's about the PROVIDERS being prosecuted - the organisations with court bills and fines to pay as a result (which may well not be covered by any insurance) which would adversely affect their businesses (always assuming they didn't either go bust or lose a necessary licence as a result).

So ultimately it will be in the interest of those providing the facilities to ensure everyone is only using the facilities for their biological sex. Because the alternative is financial penalties, reputational damage and so on.

As for not changing anything, the code might not be policed but it will be enforced. We will make sure of that.

It will. It will empower women to complain when a man tries to claim being a transwoman and uses womens facilities where he is not wanted. Will every transwomen be challenged? Probably not, but will those nice genuine transwomen really break the law every time? Not so nice transwomen then

GRCs should be harder to get.

They should be impossible to get.

Line up all men who claim to be women, on the opposite side line up all women.

Charge! 😊

it used to be understood that you actually had to transition

Socially only, though. There was never an obligation of a medical transition.

GRCs should be harder to get.

They can't be. Making them dependent on undergoing surgeries or taking hormones would be going against one's human right to bodily integrity.

Having genital surgery can never be a requirement for getting a GRC. Its against human rights for sterilisation to be a condition for gaining legal rights.

AFAIK that policy is being challenged in court. There was a challenge which was thrown out, this was overturned on appeal and Sex Matters’ challenge has been allowed.

The word is MEN

I’m sorry if I gave the wrong impression. That’s not what I was trying to say. I think it used to be understood that you actually had to transition and make an effort not to alarm anyone. I think it should be based on a GRC like it was meant to be and GRCs should be harder to get.

This is the thing, these FAKEwomen don't respect anything.

I refuse to use trans-this, trans that, the word is FAKE.

Men who ignore the law regarding women’s boundarie are never harmless.

Repeated for those at the back, like MakesNoDifference

Awaiting a court hearing. Sadly the city managed to delay the hearing so women are having their rights ignored over the summer.

Men who ignore the law regarding women’s boundaries are never harmless.

So what is the current status for the Hampstead Ladies pond? I was there a few weeks ago and there was definitely signs up stating that Ladies included men with 'lady feelings' . (And also signs saying 'For women only).

Yep, flashers and Peeping Toms were prosecuted for decades until the attempts of the last ten years or so to take women’s rights and safe spaces away.

Thankfully, the clarification of the law 15 months ago made it crystal clear that these are female only spaces, so where we come across males transgressing, we are empowered to act. As DH did recently in the public toilets in our local shopping centre, when he saw a male try and go into the female toilets that DD11 had just gone into by herself (DH doing the decent thing and not following her in or taking her into the gents).

Ooh, is that the right phrase? because that's nice and quippy and short for future lists

Do you think a transwoman with a gender recognition certicate who hasn't taken hormones or had surgery still qualifies as a transwoman?

Yes is that a “motte and bailey”?

That’s why I’m interested in the poster’s answer to my question- not yet forthcoming I note.

On it!

Wow watch those goalposts zoom around!

One for the TRA arguements list I think - make the case something is reasonable based only on the exceptional few, but then apply that justification to the whole group without exception.

"Some trans women are harmless and have taken steps to transition eg I.e hormones, surgery. So they should surely be allowed in. But there's no policing of spaces. So I guess we just have to let all the men who claim to be women in then, amirite? After all, it is obvious that it is better for women to be deprived of single sex spaces altogether than for a man who claims to be a women and might have got away with a bit of harmless casual toilet deception loses out, surely you monsters can understand that?"