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Deeply distressing - article on rising number of girls in Afghanistan being sold into child marriage.

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ahjeez · 15/07/2026 09:27

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2026/jul/15/afghanistan-girls-sold-into-child-marriage

This is an extremely upsetting article.

If anyone knows of any organisations that help women and girls in Afghanistan, please do share.

‘When she turns eight they will take her’: rising number of Afghan girls being sold into child marriage

Afghanistan is seeing a resurgence in underage brides and mothers as desperate families sell their children in order to eat

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2026/jul/15/afghanistan-girls-sold-into-child-marriage

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Lalgarh · 14/08/2026 19:45

Rukhshana media are based in Canada and produces news focussed on women in Afghanistan

https://rukhshana.com/en/

Rukhshana Media

رسانه رخشانه، رسانه‌یی با محتوای ویژه‌ی زنان

https://rukhshana.com/en/

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 14/08/2026 18:04

Radio Begum, apologies for typo.

Please support them rather than offer pity; they are strong, capable women trying to inspire and protect girls - and each other.

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 14/08/2026 18:02

ahjeez · 15/07/2026 09:27

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2026/jul/15/afghanistan-girls-sold-into-child-marriage

This is an extremely upsetting article.

If anyone knows of any organisations that help women and girls in Afghanistan, please do share.

Thank you for sharing.

Supporting Radfio Begum is a good start. It gives Afghan women and girls a voice. These are brave, powerful women - and anyone can support their fight against the Taliban. One of the most inspiring things I've ever read.

Also, as with Israel, write to MP's demanding the UK doesn't make any deals with regimes which harm women - and uses its leverage to deny them weapons to use against women. Don't forget women in Congo and Sudan either.

www.amnesty.org.uk/get-involved/join-the-movement/join-a-group-or-network/amnesty-feminists/blog/radio-afghan-women-afghan-women/

Secretseverywhere · 14/08/2026 16:46

Pippin2017 · 14/08/2026 08:24

Scratch the surface, and there are an awful lot of men in the UK who would behave like this if it wasn't against the law and (now) seen as culturally unacceptable. Sex tourism to places like Thailand proves that. Also, the appalling sexualised verbal abuse aimed at girls and young women by men and boys.

I think you’re right, there was a news article on a web site that was shut down for men interested in drugging their wives and having other men rape them. It had over 60 million visitors.

I think a lot of men would do disgusting things if the guard rails were taken off. I’m not saying all men but a worrying proportion if they didn’t think they’d be caught condemned or punished for their actions.

VioletSpeedwell · 14/08/2026 15:14

Pippin2017 · 14/08/2026 08:54

No-one is suggesting we do have the same problem. What people are pointing out is that given the opportunity, Western men are capable of appalling behaviour towards women and girls too.

Some Western men, yes. The majority of British men, I don't think so.

I absolutely believe we have loads of hebaphiles walking around though

Sexually attracted to 11-14 year olds? Again, I don't think so.

Lalgarh · 14/08/2026 13:38

Fifth anniversary of the Taliban return to power today. A few items on the radio news about it.

Bringemout · 14/08/2026 11:21

Pippin2017 · 14/08/2026 08:54

No-one is suggesting we do have the same problem. What people are pointing out is that given the opportunity, Western men are capable of appalling behaviour towards women and girls too.

Yeah but I just don’t think it would be the same as Afghanistan. It’s a hellhole.

Bringemout · 14/08/2026 11:19

Pippin2017 · 14/08/2026 08:24

Scratch the surface, and there are an awful lot of men in the UK who would behave like this if it wasn't against the law and (now) seen as culturally unacceptable. Sex tourism to places like Thailand proves that. Also, the appalling sexualised verbal abuse aimed at girls and young women by men and boys.

I think the age thing is the point, a pubescent child yes perhaps, but the demand os for pre-pubescent children in Afghanistan. True paedophilia whether it’s boys or girls and it’s socially acceptable. A lot of rapes of children in the west are crimes of opportunity rather than the perpetrators being exclusively paedophiles. I absolutely believe we have loads of hebaphiles walking around though.

I still stand by the fact that I think most men would think trying to have sex with an 8yr old is revolting. I don’t think particularly highly of men as a group tbh but I don’t think we would suddenly become a society where you can marry a five yr old in the event of an apocalypse. And I do think part of it is purity culture stemming from religion, an obsession with virginity and purity as well as just a desire for children (otherwise we wouldn’t have bacha bazi).

Pippin2017 · 14/08/2026 08:54

No-one is suggesting we do have the same problem. What people are pointing out is that given the opportunity, Western men are capable of appalling behaviour towards women and girls too.

KittyCorncrake · 14/08/2026 08:49

Hugely insulting to women of Afghanistan to whine that cwe have the same problems with indigenous British men as they are suffering from men in their country! No comparison.

Pippin2017 · 14/08/2026 08:24

Bringemout · 12/08/2026 20:58

I think a significant minority would be happy with it, but there are men who I think that would be appalled in reality. There are men out there who would be disgusted by the idea of living in a talibanesque environment. Most men would think trying to marry an 8yr old is genuinely vile.

Scratch the surface, and there are an awful lot of men in the UK who would behave like this if it wasn't against the law and (now) seen as culturally unacceptable. Sex tourism to places like Thailand proves that. Also, the appalling sexualised verbal abuse aimed at girls and young women by men and boys.

JuliettaCaeser · 14/08/2026 07:45

Dd was on a girls trip to Greece and groups of men from Albania were harassing the girls hideously. Dd said every single English lad they met was lovely and horrified and ensured they got back to their hotels etc. One
lad said “I just can’t believe you’re being treated like this”. Their mothers should be proud.

Idontknowmuch · 14/08/2026 04:36

OtterlyAstounding · 12/08/2026 21:32

Yes, I can imagine that most men who have been raised in western culture would continue to be disgusted at the idea of abusing prepubescent children, but I can't help but think that, if the social order was significantly disrupted, a majority of men would quickly take advantage of the vulnerability of adult women and teenage girls.

It kind of brings to mind that so many men will use prostitutes when they must know that the majority of those women are desperate, how do they justify that? I get the impression they do it by "believing" they are compensating the women for the sexual abuse by paying them, helping them to earn their living so to speak. They reframe it as "helping" maybe.
It takes a measure of dehumanisation to do that I think.
And it feels like that dehumanisation is what sits under the Pellicot case, and those other ones like those husbands caught drugging their wives, or even spiking their drinks with caffeine so that they cant claim to "be tired". Failure to regard women (and children) as fully human. I think many men work hard to resist this (socially constructed) tendency, but many others don't even register it as truly abhorrent. I guess they believe it's just the way of things.

VioletSpeedwell · 14/08/2026 02:25

Really strange that on a feminist forum so may posters want to erase or excuse the rape of women by those born and brought up in the UK.

Where has that happened on this thread?

It hasn't.

Your arguments are weird.

IwantToRetire · 14/08/2026 02:08

KittyCorncrake · 13/08/2026 18:03

This thread discusses women and girls being abused in Afghanistan by Afghan men.
The article refers to women being rape by gangs of Afghan men in London.
Which is relevant.
We are importing rape.

Of course we aren't "importing" rape any more than the thousands of men from Europe who visit or work in other countries rape women.

As rapists already exist in the UK, the concept is just stupid, and just been whipped up by right wing media.

Added to which the thread OP was about child marriage in Afghanistan.

But as usual all those who dont actual care about all women who are raped have leapt on the thread to try and whip up false facts about rape in the UK.

Really strange that on a feminist forum so may posters want to erase or excuse the rape of women by those born and brought up in the UK.

Its like having some badly programmed bot. At every opportunity select out stories that "substantiate" this obsession.

VioletSpeedwell · 13/08/2026 21:14

Dont forget that the media publicise crimes like this because they know their audience wants to lap up reports of violence by men from "other" cultures

You think people outraged by "asylum seekers" raping women in the UK are lapping it up? That's a really weird way of looking at it. All rapes are wicked but if these men weren't here illegally, these women wouldn't have been raped by them.

And I see plenty of coverage of rapes committed by British men. The difference is here it's a crime, in Afghanistan it's the woman's fault.

KittyCorncrake · 13/08/2026 18:03

This thread discusses women and girls being abused in Afghanistan by Afghan men.
The article refers to women being rape by gangs of Afghan men in London.
Which is relevant.
We are importing rape.

IwantToRetire · 13/08/2026 17:37

KittyCorncrake · 13/08/2026 08:56

Another kinfepoint gang rape rape by…..Afghans in East London (Barking) Park 😡

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Dont forget that the media publicise crimes like this because they know their audience wants to lap up reports of violence by men from "other" cultures.

And dont bother about "our" men committing sexual crimes.

If you are concerned about violence against women in the UK surely you would want all women who have been harmed to be acknowledged and the perpetrators dealt with.

VioletSpeedwell · 13/08/2026 16:49

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 13/08/2026 14:19

I thought there had to be three or more people before it was a gang.

No. More than one makes it a gang rape.

Poor woman.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 13/08/2026 14:19

I thought there had to be three or more people before it was a gang.

KittyCorncrake · 13/08/2026 08:56

Another kinfepoint gang rape rape by…..Afghans in East London (Barking) Park 😡

Bringemout · 13/08/2026 08:24

OtterlyAstounding · 12/08/2026 21:32

Yes, I can imagine that most men who have been raised in western culture would continue to be disgusted at the idea of abusing prepubescent children, but I can't help but think that, if the social order was significantly disrupted, a majority of men would quickly take advantage of the vulnerability of adult women and teenage girls.

Yeah I completely agree, I do think teenage girls would become very vulnerable. Schoolgirls being harassed in the street is nothing new unfortunately, even though they are clearly in school uniform and therefore clearly children.

I think though the specific paedophila in Afghanistan is a really strange phenomena. Because even if something isn’t punished finding children attractive in itself is quite odd. I can almost see how teenage girls would be attractive (to me they look like kids so not completely, but they are at least developing).

What I find strange is the demand for actual children. If you said to me theres a bunch of men who wanted to marry 14yr olds I’d be disgusted but not that surprised.

This is worthy of some sort of study imo.

The islamic justification the taliban use (and others who permit child marriage, iran, iraq, lebanon, parts of yemen) is often that if a child is big enough and can “bear” sex then it’s fine, she doesn’t have to have reached puberty. There is a book on jurisprudence by one of the Khomenis saying that getting sexual pleasure from an infant is fine as long as it’s non penetrative which means according to this particular ruling you can marry an infant. I need to go scrub my brain out. Obviously most muslims find this stuff gross, god knows feminists in many of these countries are constantly battling the weirdos in their own countries but it’s an uphill battle.

I don’t think we can blame the west for this, it’s not a new phenomenon unfortunately.

canuckup · 12/08/2026 21:46

VioletSpeedwell · 09/08/2026 19:12

Why leap in with a wrong conclusion that anyone is blaming the west

Because the West is always blamed rather than Islam and the ingrained misogyny of these countries.

This. It starts with them.

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