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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Full Council Chaos. Bristol City Council refusing to implement single sex services

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LoudDeer · 15/07/2026 08:47

Last night at the full council meeting women asking questions about BCC's refusal to implement the law was met with heckling from the gallery and a nonsensical word salad from council officials.

Somehow the number of questions, and goodness knows what other personal details, was leaked from within the Council offices and fed to far left activists who put out a call for attendance online. At least 100 turned up and abused and harrassed members of the public while they were speaking. At one point they were shouting at a questioners to sit down. No action was taken by council officials to maintain order.

As they left, women were met with heckling, chanting and shouting outside the building from more far left activists. The atmosphere was intimidating and abusive.

Please note, the Council agenda that evening held an item on a city wide commitment to ending VAWG. Harrassment and abuse was happening right in front of them and they not only initiated this spectacle but supported it.

Women are not safe in Bristol.

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WarriorN · 15/07/2026 18:23

This is horrific

axolotlfloof · 15/07/2026 18:23

dizzydizzydizzy · 15/07/2026 17:56

I’m sure you are right.

However, I think it is possible to build and manage safe unisex spaces. The economic reality is that unisex spaces usually cost a lot less to create and run. It’a both a question of what level of risk we are prepared to accept and also what level of cost.

Unisex spaces are less safe statistically than single sex spaces, for women. Why on earth would we want to build them?
Our safety isn't a social experiment.

hihelenhi · 15/07/2026 18:22

Sausagenbacon · 15/07/2026 17:47

Bristol City Council is controlled by the Greens and, before that Labour. So this is a problem with the Left,in tbis aituation

It is a problem with a huge swathe of the current identitarian, usually younger, middle class left in recent years.

Not the "whole of the left". Framing it as such (and as merely a left-right battle as if one side are the goodies and the other the baddies so if only we'd "vote correctly" all would be solved) is inaccurate and not especially helpful. The labelling also doesn't really get to the root of the problem, any more than fingerpointing and labelling anyone slightly to the right of Corbyn as "far right and thus evil" resolves any of the bubbling societal issues that led to Brexit, for instance.

We live in a supposedly pluralistic, democratic society. The issue in this case is acceptance and active promotion of authoritarianism and intolerance at a local government level towards members of the public. This is misuse of power. And lack of comprehension as to whdt the role of public representative is actually supposed to entail in a supposed democracy.

axolotlfloof · 15/07/2026 18:20

hahabahbag · 15/07/2026 15:36

Women are safe in Bristol, in fact it’s one of the safest places I’ve lived. Be angry about many things but don’t make untrue statements.

This is objectively not true.
We can look at the stats which others have already quoted and we can listen to the life experience of Women and girls, to know Bristol is not safe.
Also the council chamber rejected Women's participation in democracy.

nicepotoftea · 15/07/2026 18:07

But I agree with the premise of what dizzydizzydizzy is saying

nicepotoftea · 15/07/2026 18:06

Talkinpeace · 15/07/2026 17:59

Mixed sex.
There are two sexes.

And yes mixed sex spaces exist
but in many situations (eg workplace toilets and washrooms) they are illegal

Mixed Sex - both sexes use at the same time
Unisex- either sex can use but not at the same time.

Talkinpeace · 15/07/2026 17:59

dizzydizzydizzy · 15/07/2026 17:56

I’m sure you are right.

However, I think it is possible to build and manage safe unisex spaces. The economic reality is that unisex spaces usually cost a lot less to create and run. It’a both a question of what level of risk we are prepared to accept and also what level of cost.

Mixed sex.
There are two sexes.

And yes mixed sex spaces exist
but in many situations (eg workplace toilets and washrooms) they are illegal

dizzydizzydizzy · 15/07/2026 17:56

I’m sure you are right.

However, I think it is possible to build and manage safe unisex spaces. The economic reality is that unisex spaces usually cost a lot less to create and run. It’a both a question of what level of risk we are prepared to accept and also what level of cost.

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 15/07/2026 17:47

PaterPower · 15/07/2026 09:29

That woman thought she was being so clever - smirking away with her ridiculous non answers.

A yes/no question might be revealing next time

“following the SC judgement clarifying that for the purposes of the Equality Act will you be adopting the ruling of the court?”

And maybe “if not, why not?”

Huge kudos to those brave ladies who went there and faced those awful people though.

Sausagenbacon · 15/07/2026 17:47

Bristol City Council is controlled by the Greens and, before that Labour. So this is a problem with the Left,in tbis aituation

Talkinpeace · 15/07/2026 17:29

Certain issues are neither "left" nor "right"

Both the extreme left and extreme right are deeply misogynist

It is not possible to categorise the political hue of people by their stance on the rights of women

Julie Burchill and Julie Bindel are cases in point

nicepotoftea · 15/07/2026 17:23

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 15/07/2026 16:53

Oh my mistake, the 'far right' that everyone is banging on about is, the Gender Idiots, can't believe I didn't see it before.

Tommy Robinson and India Wanaby are on the same side of the political aisle, a bit like Queers for Pally.

To be honest, yes.

BadSkiingMum · 15/07/2026 17:22

dizzydizzydizzy · 15/07/2026 09:02

Which single services are we talking about here? Where I live some people complain about the leisure centre having mixed sex changing but I don’t see the issue because everyone has a lockable cubicle with high walls and walls and door going to the floor. When it was single sex people also complained, especially mothers of boys aged 8-10. At age 8 children were supposed to go in the changing room of their sex but at lot of parents were not happy to do this. The same applied to carers looking after adults of the opposite sex when the separate disabled facilities were booked out (there were disabled changing rooms in the single sex changing room).

Unfortunately there have been quite a few cases of voyeurism in changing villages:

https://www.cheshire.police.uk/news/cheshire/news/articles/2026/7/man-sentenced-for-voyeurism-in-widnes/

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/26251456.heysham-man-40s-charged-voyeurism-drug-offences/

https://www.itv.com/news/calendar/2025-10-20/man-who-spied-on-children-in-butlins-changing-rooms-is-jailed

I don’t keep a file of these btw, that is just from a quick search…
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hihelenhi · 15/07/2026 17:19

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 15/07/2026 16:53

Oh my mistake, the 'far right' that everyone is banging on about is, the Gender Idiots, can't believe I didn't see it before.

Tommy Robinson and India Wanaby are on the same side of the political aisle, a bit like Queers for Pally.

And yet many of us lefties do in fact OPPOSE genderwang. And on the basis of our political views, in fact.

So you're missing the point with this, really. Nobody is saying that Tommy Robinson et al support it. But there re plenty of "far left" people who oppose it, and thus it's inaccurate and lazy to claim it is the "far left" who are supporting it as if we all do. We don't. I don't consider those who do to know much about socialism or are particular "left wing" either, however they identify. They are largely middle class identitarians.

hihelenhi · 15/07/2026 17:10

BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 15/07/2026 09:53

First of all, Bristol Council needs to be sued. A lot. And now. That's the only thing that will stop this, because they seem determined to flout the law.

Secondly, can I just mention something that I have noticed gathering pace on many FWR threads recently: the use of "far left" to describe everything we don't like. To me, this is not helpful and is not accurate. The Communist Party in the UK accepts the biological fact of women, and yet is "far left."

Labelling everything you don't like, such as activists shouting women down at a council meeting, "far left" is, to my mind, as unhelpful, inaccurate, and lazy as TRAs calling all women who believe in biological reality "right wing." If we're not careful, it's going to become something that everyone says because it's an easy go-to. And before you know it, THAT is what we will spend our time arguing about with the derailers on these threads, rather than the important issues. And you know those derailers gotta derail!

What happened at the council meeting doesn't seem to me to have anything at all to do with politics, left or right. It was, and is, nothing more or less than authoritarianism. Shutting people up and intimidating people because you don't like what they are saying, or the fact that they have the right in law to say it, is authoritarianism and thuggery. And that can be right or left. Let's not be lazy in how we call it out.

Thank you. I quite agree. The "far left" "far right" framing has become extremely tiresome and is inaccurate.

As you say, the Communist party & Morning Star are both "far left". Both of them fundamentally oppose men in women's spaces and services and promote material reality and class analysis over fashionably batshit postmodernist identitarian theories of "gender". And many women in the UK who oppose "gender" ideology come from a left wing feminist background, even if many now feel politically homeless. It doesn't mean they're "conservative" or "right wing" or even "hate the left". I'm sick of this framing. We are not all a hive mind.

Left wing material feminists are not "far right" nor influenced by the right, or indeed conservative about sex roles, which anyone who understands the social history of women's rights and feminism in this country should know. And claiming ALL "lefties" agree with this ridiculous authoritarian stance as espoused by Bristol council is inaccurate. A great many don't. Because it's pathetic.

Meanwhile, I do not support political violence and authoritarianism whichever 'side' it comes from. Bristol council are failing in their duty to those they are supposed to represent. Bunch of idiots.

Sausagenbacon · 15/07/2026 17:04

First of all, Bristol Council needs to be sued. A lot. And now. That's the only thing that will stop this, because they seem determined to flout the law.
This

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 15/07/2026 16:53

Oh my mistake, the 'far right' that everyone is banging on about is, the Gender Idiots, can't believe I didn't see it before.

Tommy Robinson and India Wanaby are on the same side of the political aisle, a bit like Queers for Pally.

Talkinpeace · 15/07/2026 16:29

This cartoon never gets old

Full Council Chaos. Bristol City Council refusing to implement single sex services
Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/07/2026 16:27

nicepotoftea · 15/07/2026 16:08

Self ID was initially proposed by Theresa May's government.

Right wing politicians only really got interested when they realised that the left were scoring an own goal.

They certainly didn't want to help a bunch of feminists defend their rights.

Exactly. I’d argue Reform still haven’t properly cottoned onto to the absolute goldmine it is for beclowning your political opponents. Kemi knows.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 15/07/2026 16:26

pontefractals · 15/07/2026 15:53

I'm not denying that parties and groups who call themselves left-wing have, for their own bizarre non-reasons, adopted transactivism. I am arguing that transactivism itself is not left-wing. Being left-wing is not just "being nice", however much some people would like it to be.

100% this. Transgenderism is the ultimate individualistic consumerist capitalist movement. There is nothing progressive or left wing about it.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/07/2026 16:26

hahabahbag · 15/07/2026 15:36

Women are safe in Bristol, in fact it’s one of the safest places I’ve lived. Be angry about many things but don’t make untrue statements.

Women aren’t “safe” anywhere, I highly doubt Bristol is the shining exception.

nicepotoftea · 15/07/2026 16:10

hahabahbag · 15/07/2026 15:36

Women are safe in Bristol, in fact it’s one of the safest places I’ve lived. Be angry about many things but don’t make untrue statements.

Sorry who are safe? If you want to make assertions one way or another you need to pin down who you are talking about.

ForgedForDrizzleAndDisappointment · 15/07/2026 16:08

What other laws does Bristol Council not follow because it doesn't agree with them?

nicepotoftea · 15/07/2026 16:08

pontefractals · 15/07/2026 15:53

I'm not denying that parties and groups who call themselves left-wing have, for their own bizarre non-reasons, adopted transactivism. I am arguing that transactivism itself is not left-wing. Being left-wing is not just "being nice", however much some people would like it to be.

Self ID was initially proposed by Theresa May's government.

Right wing politicians only really got interested when they realised that the left were scoring an own goal.

They certainly didn't want to help a bunch of feminists defend their rights.

LoudDeer · 15/07/2026 16:01

hahabahbag · 15/07/2026 15:36

Women are safe in Bristol, in fact it’s one of the safest places I’ve lived. Be angry about many things but don’t make untrue statements.

This is just the sort of attempt to shut a woman down that is an exemplar of last night's carry on. You add nothing to the safety of women other than a singular perspective and a chilling instruction.

I'll say what I felt and what I saw. And I dont need or seek your permission to do so.

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