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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Full Council Chaos. Bristol City Council refusing to implement single sex services

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LoudDeer · 15/07/2026 08:47

Last night at the full council meeting women asking questions about BCC's refusal to implement the law was met with heckling from the gallery and a nonsensical word salad from council officials.

Somehow the number of questions, and goodness knows what other personal details, was leaked from within the Council offices and fed to far left activists who put out a call for attendance online. At least 100 turned up and abused and harrassed members of the public while they were speaking. At one point they were shouting at a questioners to sit down. No action was taken by council officials to maintain order.

As they left, women were met with heckling, chanting and shouting outside the building from more far left activists. The atmosphere was intimidating and abusive.

Please note, the Council agenda that evening held an item on a city wide commitment to ending VAWG. Harrassment and abuse was happening right in front of them and they not only initiated this spectacle but supported it.

Women are not safe in Bristol.

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pontefractals · 15/07/2026 15:53

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 15/07/2026 14:15

Denial is not just a river in Egypt then. 🙄

I'm not denying that parties and groups who call themselves left-wing have, for their own bizarre non-reasons, adopted transactivism. I am arguing that transactivism itself is not left-wing. Being left-wing is not just "being nice", however much some people would like it to be.

StSpiridian · 15/07/2026 15:49

can always trust @MrsOvertonsWindow to get the right stats!

MrsOvertonsWindow · 15/07/2026 15:48

hahabahbag · 15/07/2026 15:36

Women are safe in Bristol, in fact it’s one of the safest places I’ve lived. Be angry about many things but don’t make untrue statements.

A quick google of statistics suggest that this is not true:

"Violence against women and girls (VAWG) in Bristol is significantly higher than national averages, particularly concerning sexual violence and domestic abuse. Females in the city are 2.4 times more likely than males to be victims of domestic abuse. 1, 2, 3, 4]

Sexual Violence and Harassment

  • Bristol Rate: 4.8 per 1,000 population.
  • National Rate: 3.1 per 1,000 population across England.
  • Context: Bristol has the joint-highest rate of sexual violence among English core cities. Additionally, 38% of women in Bristol report that sexual harassment is a major local issue. 1, 2] "

Police Response and Charging Times

  • Avon and Somerset Police: The local force handling Bristol deals with roughly seven reported rapes a day on average.
  • Wait Times: Rape cases take an average of 626 days to reach a charge, which is more than double the national average of 306 days. 1]

You can review the full breakdown of local data via the Bristol JSNA Domestic Abuse Report and the Bristol Sexual Violence and Harassment JSNA.

Edited to add cross posted with @StSpiridian

Bristol to come together to raise awareness of Violence against Women and Girls

https://news.bristol.gov.uk/press-releases/534c388c-3d20-4c5e-85dd-4516951a26c1/bristol-to-come-together-to-raise-awareness-of-violence-against-women-and-girls

StSpiridian · 15/07/2026 15:46

sorry don't know who haha is responding to. But thought mumsnetters might find this interesting: from 2024 though www.bristol.ac.uk/news/2024/december/policing-of-violence-against-women-and-girls.html
'Less than a quarter (24%) of the 55 studied police case files on domestic violence, rape, and serious sexual assault offences overall resulted in charges being brought against an offender, according to the findings which covered two police forces.'

and crime rates 2026 so far:
https://crimerate.co.uk/avon-somerset-police

hahabahbag · 15/07/2026 15:36

Women are safe in Bristol, in fact it’s one of the safest places I’ve lived. Be angry about many things but don’t make untrue statements.

StSpiridian · 15/07/2026 15:35

Children of Transitioners, also on x, have reposted their experience and report of trying to get access to female only abuse support services (unsuccessfully) in Bristol too...the link is here:

childrenoftransitioners.org/the-trans-lobby-has-destroyed-provision-for-female-abuse-victims-in-bristol-and-elsewhere-and-will-do-the-same-for-the-victims-bill/

StSpiridian · 15/07/2026 15:33

One of the mumsnetters (I think) has posted about this meeting on x. Picture of a seamonster are you here? (Your username reminds me of one of my old user names!) .

As Jo Bartosch has responded and is asking for women at the meeting to message her on x.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 15/07/2026 14:15

pontefractals · 15/07/2026 13:09

It's also all very consumerist- all those flags and lanyards and badges and blahajs, not to mention the drugs and surgery - and, for all its talk of "the community" very individualistic. It's not left wing. I'm getting really TIRED of explaining that.
ETA - not tired of explaining it here so much as in other places.

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Denial is not just a river in Egypt then. 🙄

LoudDeer · 15/07/2026 13:49

BunfightBetty · 15/07/2026 13:25

I do agree with this - that at its heart, its relentless focus on the whims and wants of the Individual (male) at the expense of the collective (females) is very firmly right wing territory.

However notwithstanding that, the left have picked it up and run with it. There, it seems to me, the focus is on suicidal empathy for who they perceive to be the oppressed. Their huge mistake is to characterise men as the oppressed and women as the oppressor, which is clearly abject nonsense to anybody who’s paying any attention to reality.

Whichever way it's chopped up, the standout message from last night in Bristol City Council's chamber is that women can no longer engage in democratic processes without the threat of being abused and intimidated.

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ginasevern · 15/07/2026 13:49

AllaFieraDellEst · 15/07/2026 09:28

Yep, sounds like Bristol.

I'm from Brighton (I don't live there now, thankfully) and it is a very similar dynamic. You have my sympathy.

And plenty of ambient Antisemitism and open hostility to Jewish self determination in both this those places too. It's depressing.

Yep, can confirm. I'm a resident Bristolian.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/07/2026 13:37

BunfightBetty · 15/07/2026 13:20

And yet the ‘progressive left’ have rolled it into the Omnicause.

It’s firmly part of the ‘progressive grab bag’ of acceptable causes and opinions all left-wingers are encouraged to espouse as a job lot, without troubling themselves to apply any critical thinking on.

It’s misogyny given a left-wing veneer of championing the supposed under-dog.

Of course, there’s also a huge amount of misogyny on the right, too. But the push to erode women’s rights in Bristol comes firmly from the left.

No matter which side it comes from, it’s a pretty extremist position to attempt to roll back women’s rights, I would have thought. And it needs to be identified as such.

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Exactly. It may be appropriation and gaslighting but it’s definitely considered a left wing position and it’s necessary to identify it as that.

BunfightBetty · 15/07/2026 13:25

pontefractals · 15/07/2026 13:09

It's also all very consumerist- all those flags and lanyards and badges and blahajs, not to mention the drugs and surgery - and, for all its talk of "the community" very individualistic. It's not left wing. I'm getting really TIRED of explaining that.
ETA - not tired of explaining it here so much as in other places.

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I do agree with this - that at its heart, its relentless focus on the whims and wants of the Individual (male) at the expense of the collective (females) is very firmly right wing territory.

However notwithstanding that, the left have picked it up and run with it. There, it seems to me, the focus is on suicidal empathy for who they perceive to be the oppressed. Their huge mistake is to characterise men as the oppressed and women as the oppressor, which is clearly abject nonsense to anybody who’s paying any attention to reality.

nicepotoftea · 15/07/2026 13:21

pontefractals · 15/07/2026 13:09

It's also all very consumerist- all those flags and lanyards and badges and blahajs, not to mention the drugs and surgery - and, for all its talk of "the community" very individualistic. It's not left wing. I'm getting really TIRED of explaining that.
ETA - not tired of explaining it here so much as in other places.

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Insistence on respect for a subjective, intangible identity is also reminiscent of Prince Andrew insisting on being addressed as "Your Royal Highness".

BunfightBetty · 15/07/2026 13:20

nicepotoftea · 15/07/2026 11:58

Agree.

I think the prioritisation of men's preferences over women's needs and the socially conservative imposition of gendered identities is fundamentally right wing.

And yet the ‘progressive left’ have rolled it into the Omnicause.

It’s firmly part of the ‘progressive grab bag’ of acceptable causes and opinions all left-wingers are encouraged to espouse as a job lot, without troubling themselves to apply any critical thinking on.

It’s misogyny given a left-wing veneer of championing the supposed under-dog.

Of course, there’s also a huge amount of misogyny on the right, too. But the push to erode women’s rights in Bristol comes firmly from the left.

No matter which side it comes from, it’s a pretty extremist position to attempt to roll back women’s rights, I would have thought. And it needs to be identified as such.

pontefractals · 15/07/2026 13:09

nicepotoftea · 15/07/2026 11:58

Agree.

I think the prioritisation of men's preferences over women's needs and the socially conservative imposition of gendered identities is fundamentally right wing.

It's also all very consumerist- all those flags and lanyards and badges and blahajs, not to mention the drugs and surgery - and, for all its talk of "the community" very individualistic. It's not left wing. I'm getting really TIRED of explaining that.
ETA - not tired of explaining it here so much as in other places.

Talkinpeace · 15/07/2026 12:35

Did any of the women trying to ask questions film the proceedings ?
Are their videos available ?

If so, it is worth sharing them
(see also Kath of WRN cornering Julia Gillard)

If not, I can best suggest getting women to ask questions at every meeting of every committee of Bristol City Council

  • whether they adhere to the Public Sector Equality Duty
  • whether they protect their employees in accordance with the 1992 Workplace regs
  • whether they plan to fully comply with the EA2010 and the EHRC guidance
  • if not, which other laws do they consider optional

the questions will need to be relevant to the agenda items, but it can be done.

TheThirteenthFairy · 15/07/2026 12:34

VAWG. The mistake many people make is to think this is about violence to our kind of women. It isn't. It's about violence to the women with dicks. If you weren't born with one, you are of no significance.

nicepotoftea · 15/07/2026 11:58

BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 15/07/2026 09:53

First of all, Bristol Council needs to be sued. A lot. And now. That's the only thing that will stop this, because they seem determined to flout the law.

Secondly, can I just mention something that I have noticed gathering pace on many FWR threads recently: the use of "far left" to describe everything we don't like. To me, this is not helpful and is not accurate. The Communist Party in the UK accepts the biological fact of women, and yet is "far left."

Labelling everything you don't like, such as activists shouting women down at a council meeting, "far left" is, to my mind, as unhelpful, inaccurate, and lazy as TRAs calling all women who believe in biological reality "right wing." If we're not careful, it's going to become something that everyone says because it's an easy go-to. And before you know it, THAT is what we will spend our time arguing about with the derailers on these threads, rather than the important issues. And you know those derailers gotta derail!

What happened at the council meeting doesn't seem to me to have anything at all to do with politics, left or right. It was, and is, nothing more or less than authoritarianism. Shutting people up and intimidating people because you don't like what they are saying, or the fact that they have the right in law to say it, is authoritarianism and thuggery. And that can be right or left. Let's not be lazy in how we call it out.

Agree.

I think the prioritisation of men's preferences over women's needs and the socially conservative imposition of gendered identities is fundamentally right wing.

LoudDeer · 15/07/2026 11:39

You have a point. They were trans rights activists not necessarily far left.

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WinterTrees · 15/07/2026 11:03

I wonder if, when they were editing out the sound of the threatening rainbow mob, if they paused for just a moment to consider the implications of this. I wonder if, when someone suggested that and authorised it, when the time was taken to go through the recording and do the edit, whether the word 'censorship' was mentioned at all? Or 'propaganda'?

Why don't they want it to be heard? What does that tell them?

BunfightBetty · 15/07/2026 10:55

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/07/2026 10:00

She didn’t answer the specific question about whether they’ve taken legal advice, either.

Good point. She was just interested in shoe-horning in her fawning TRA soundbite.

Igmum · 15/07/2026 10:52

Appalling. Denying women access to democracy and fostering violence against them. Please tell me there’s a way to put the people responsible on trial. This is utterly unacceptable.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 15/07/2026 10:41

BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 15/07/2026 09:53

First of all, Bristol Council needs to be sued. A lot. And now. That's the only thing that will stop this, because they seem determined to flout the law.

Secondly, can I just mention something that I have noticed gathering pace on many FWR threads recently: the use of "far left" to describe everything we don't like. To me, this is not helpful and is not accurate. The Communist Party in the UK accepts the biological fact of women, and yet is "far left."

Labelling everything you don't like, such as activists shouting women down at a council meeting, "far left" is, to my mind, as unhelpful, inaccurate, and lazy as TRAs calling all women who believe in biological reality "right wing." If we're not careful, it's going to become something that everyone says because it's an easy go-to. And before you know it, THAT is what we will spend our time arguing about with the derailers on these threads, rather than the important issues. And you know those derailers gotta derail!

What happened at the council meeting doesn't seem to me to have anything at all to do with politics, left or right. It was, and is, nothing more or less than authoritarianism. Shutting people up and intimidating people because you don't like what they are saying, or the fact that they have the right in law to say it, is authoritarianism and thuggery. And that can be right or left. Let's not be lazy in how we call it out.

People need to focus on how this ideology from the get go has been enforced by thugs, bullies, the intolerant, and those unable to function in a democratic society. All enabled by the hard of thinking alongside a handful of predators.

They're a minority but a scary and intimidating minority. And yes, they need to be taken to court if they're unwilling to abide by the laws of the land and uphold the social contract.

axolotlfloof · 15/07/2026 10:25

It was appalling, intimidating and the chair of the meeting had.no authority over the situation.
The councillor answering women's questions was playing up for the mob she had invited.
The data breach is very serious. Have they given mentally ill men Women's home addresses?

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