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PM Andy Burham: what next for women's (and children's) rights?

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BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 13/07/2026 19:23

There didn't seem to be an appropriate existing thread, so -
Given that none of us voted for Andy (I know, I know, Labour won the last election, vote for party, he is new leader...blah blah) -

Any predictions for how bad it could get (puberty blocker trial, Conversion Bill, etc.)? Anything positive to look forward to?

New backing from MPs mathematically guarantees Burnham's coronation

27 more Labour MPs have nominated Andy Burnham to be leader of the Labour Party - making it mathematically impossible for any other leadership contender to challenge him.
^^
349 Labour MPs have now nominated Burnham, up from 322 on Thursday.
A candidate needs 81 nominations to stand - so there now aren't enough Labour MPs left to nominate anyone else.
^^
Burnham will still need the backing of three affiliated organisations and trade unions.

https://news.sky.com/story/politics-latest-burnham-starmer-labour-tories-badenoch-farage-12593360#12052134

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OhBuggerandArse · 20/07/2026 20:57

Also this:

PM Andy Burham: what next for women's (and children's) rights?
OhBuggerandArse · 20/07/2026 20:51

OhBuggerandArse · 20/07/2026 20:50

Any links on Cooper's position? I had thought she would be compromised because Ed Balls her husband certainly seems to be - I had assumed driven by the wish to be supportive to a transitioned person in their family or immediate circle.

I found this... https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/nadhim-zahawi-protest-warwick-tories-DWzF8d_2/

Trans activist son of Ed Balls and Yvette Cooper heckles Zahawi off uni campus | LBC

One of the trans activists who heckled the education secretary Nadhim Zahawi on his visit to Warwick University is the son of Labour politicians Ed Balls and Yvette Cooper, it has emerged.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/nadhim-zahawi-protest-warwick-tories-DWzF8d_2/

OhBuggerandArse · 20/07/2026 20:50

fromorbit · 20/07/2026 20:29

Another significant development.

Former Foreign Secretary Yvette Cooper has been reappointed to cabinet as the new health secretary.

Cooper is not an ardent TA for sure and in recent years has said pro reality stuff after trying to duck the question earlier.

The big question is will she be brave enough to stop the puberty blocker trial.

Any links on Cooper's position? I had thought she would be compromised because Ed Balls her husband certainly seems to be - I had assumed driven by the wish to be supportive to a transitioned person in their family or immediate circle.

SionnachRuadh · 20/07/2026 20:34

It's starting to look like a cabinet dominated by northern and Midlands MPs with Reform facing constituencies. Which creates a whole different set of incentives from a cabinet dominated by London MPs with Green facing constituencies.

fromorbit · 20/07/2026 20:29

Another significant development.

Former Foreign Secretary Yvette Cooper has been reappointed to cabinet as the new health secretary.

Cooper is not an ardent TA for sure and in recent years has said pro reality stuff after trying to duck the question earlier.

The big question is will she be brave enough to stop the puberty blocker trial.

SionnachRuadh · 20/07/2026 20:25

I'm sure not many people compare them, but she reminds me a bit of Ann Widdecombe - one of those diminutive fierce women who tell you exactly what they think.

Also, she says "fuck" more than Glinner.

PrancingPanda · 20/07/2026 20:15

I like Shabana too - glad she kept her job!

SionnachRuadh · 20/07/2026 19:49

I think the Laminator has delighted us long enough

EasternStandard · 20/07/2026 19:42

BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 20/07/2026 19:29

Have to say, glad to see the back of David Lammy!

Same for that dinosaur line.

SionnachRuadh · 20/07/2026 19:40

I'm a Shabana fan. She's one of the few ministers in this government who's proven effective at getting things done. (Ed Miliband and, in her previous life as transport sec, Lou Haigh got similar reviews)

Today is kind of a day when Burnham still gets to play on easy mode. Good speech, positive vibes - that plays to his strengths. Purging the cabinet of people like Steve Reed or Darren Jones and replacing them with MPs who are actually popular in the PLP - also low hanging fruit.

fromorbit · 20/07/2026 19:33

BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 20/07/2026 19:25

Yes, have been trying to keep an eye on the news. Louise Haigh is also a crook, but then they're all crooks! Maybe she's a crook who understands that men will never be women?

Thanks for the Labour List article, I'll take a look.

ps. meant to say I think it's good news about Mahmood. I think.

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Haigh repeated the whole issues on both sides line in that article, but there definitely signs she may be fairly sane.

Likewise with Healey.

In other news David Lammy has gone extinct and lost his job. Maybe dinosaurs and women are real.

BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 20/07/2026 19:29

Have to say, glad to see the back of David Lammy!

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BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 20/07/2026 19:25

fromorbit · 20/07/2026 19:13

Very significant

Shabana Mahmood has held onto her old job, having been reappointed home secretary

Mahmood is the most prominent sex realist in government keeping her job is a good sign.

Former defence secretary John Healey is moving into No 11, with the top job as chancellor
The former energy secretary Ed Miliband will take over as foreign secretary
Shabana Mahmood has held onto her old job, having been reappointed home secretary
Former transport secretary Louise Haigh is back in the prime minister's top team, serving as first secretary of state and chancellor of the duchy of Lancaster

Haigh is also sceptical of gender ideas so a good sign. See her response to Cass Review:

https://labourlist.org/2024/04/trans-gender-policy-stance-cass-review-report-labour/

Need to keep an eye on other appointments to see where wind is blowing. Thus far it doesn't look too bad.

The big question is whether Burnham will abandon the conversion therapy bill and puberty blockers.

Yes, have been trying to keep an eye on the news. Louise Haigh is also a crook, but then they're all crooks! Maybe she's a crook who understands that men will never be women?

Thanks for the Labour List article, I'll take a look.

ps. meant to say I think it's good news about Mahmood. I think.

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fromorbit · 20/07/2026 19:13

Very significant

Shabana Mahmood has held onto her old job, having been reappointed home secretary

Mahmood is the most prominent sex realist in government keeping her job is a good sign.

Former defence secretary John Healey is moving into No 11, with the top job as chancellor
The former energy secretary Ed Miliband will take over as foreign secretary
Shabana Mahmood has held onto her old job, having been reappointed home secretary
Former transport secretary Louise Haigh is back in the prime minister's top team, serving as first secretary of state and chancellor of the duchy of Lancaster

Haigh is also sceptical of gender ideas so a good sign. See her response to Cass Review:

https://labourlist.org/2024/04/trans-gender-policy-stance-cass-review-report-labour/

Need to keep an eye on other appointments to see where wind is blowing. Thus far it doesn't look too bad.

The big question is whether Burnham will abandon the conversion therapy bill and puberty blockers.

Haigh suggests Labour should be ‘safe space’ for gender-critical but not transphobic views – LabourList

Labour shadow cabinet member Louise Haigh has suggested Labour should be a "safe space" for gender-critical but not transphobic opinions, amid fresh party tensions over…

https://labourlist.org/2024/04/trans-gender-policy-stance-cass-review-report-labour/

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/07/2026 17:41

BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 19/07/2026 12:15

Politics latest: 'Privatisation of water hasn't worked', key Burnham ally Lucy Powell says | Politics News | Sky News

Some choice words from Lucy Powell (Labour Deputy Leader) this morning [my bold]

MPs 'do need to dial invective down' in politics

"But we have to deal with the threat. And the threat comes from this increasingly polarised, increasingly personalised, sometimes quite toxic debate in this country, which is absolutely amplified and made worse in many cases on social media in the way in which social media operates.

"And we do need to dial that down. We need to disagree agreeably once again, if that is possible, and respect the fact that we do have differing views from each other, but we can do that respectfully."

[does that actually mean "respectfully" or "women budge over for the men... respectfully", Lucy?]

The Manifesto:

"This is a project and a mission over time, reorienting the focus and the priority of the Labour government on the foundations that have been laid over the last two years on the basis of our 2024 manifesto. But refocusing and reprioritising the government to these bigger, bolder outcomes and missions."
[translation: we're going to rewrite the Labour manifesto without the backing of a general election win]

Relevant to what we’re talking about on another thread, I think.

Grammarnut · 20/07/2026 17:30

Some of his ideas on re-nationalising utilities I agree with - private companies have milked the population for too long.
However, Corbyn was wheeled out this afternoon and asked about Gaza and said that previous government was wrong to back Israel which was committing genocide (they are not - what happened to Gaza does not meet the definition of genocide i.e. no intent). This is as worrying as Burnham's views on gender ideology. Also, wheeling out Corbyn taints any good ideas Burnham might have, guilt by association.

BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 19/07/2026 19:05

UtopiaPlanitia · 19/07/2026 18:20

I found an article, by a Belfast-based journalist, assessing the options for a Burnham government, the analysis is informed by Britain’s government of N Ireland over the decades.

Having lived through those decades in NI, I do find that GB politics is increasingly resembling the politics and social dynamics I grew up with.

I thought posters here might find the article of interest too.

https://unherd.com/2026/07/burnham-faces-an-insurgent-britain/

We may ask what happened to the broadly pacific, affluent and content mainland Britain of the Nineties, but no answer that does not include the consequences of Labour rule can suffice. We live in the country Blair dreamed up, which the Tories reified. A heatwave is now as regular a summer occurrence in Britain as a communal riot, and the conjunction of the two presents a predictable strategic risk to a Westminster government. If the incoming prime minister can get through August without a mainland repeat of last month’s Belfast disturbances, he can count himself lucky — or luckier than Starmer, at any rate.

…The Burnham project, like all enthusiasms of the current Westminster state, is fundamentally a conservative one. It aims to shore up the Fabian experiments of its predecessors, like a bucket-hatted covers band recapturing the magic of Labour’s greatest Nineties hits, and add some extra of its own — though the restive audience seems unlikely to welcome his new material. Government by Radio 6 dad is as doubtfully appealing a project as rule by Matrix Chambers: the people are already moving elsewhere.

…. But if the odds against Burnham’s success are daunting, so are those facing Reform. Both Burnham and Farage represent, to their respective supporters, last-ditch gambles before the abyss. Mainland Britain is already a more turbulent country than that of the early Seventies: it is difficult to see any plausible route for Burnham to make it less so in the years, or months, between his coronation and the next election.

Thanks for that, really interesting perspective!

I agree about the hot weather and the riots, but mainly in the past 15 years. Another thing we can (possibly) blame the internet and smartphones for. (Well, I do anyway)

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UtopiaPlanitia · 19/07/2026 18:20

I found an article, by a Belfast-based journalist, assessing the options for a Burnham government, the analysis is informed by Britain’s government of N Ireland over the decades.

Having lived through those decades in NI, I do find that GB politics is increasingly resembling the politics and social dynamics I grew up with.

I thought posters here might find the article of interest too.

https://unherd.com/2026/07/burnham-faces-an-insurgent-britain/

We may ask what happened to the broadly pacific, affluent and content mainland Britain of the Nineties, but no answer that does not include the consequences of Labour rule can suffice. We live in the country Blair dreamed up, which the Tories reified. A heatwave is now as regular a summer occurrence in Britain as a communal riot, and the conjunction of the two presents a predictable strategic risk to a Westminster government. If the incoming prime minister can get through August without a mainland repeat of last month’s Belfast disturbances, he can count himself lucky — or luckier than Starmer, at any rate.

…The Burnham project, like all enthusiasms of the current Westminster state, is fundamentally a conservative one. It aims to shore up the Fabian experiments of its predecessors, like a bucket-hatted covers band recapturing the magic of Labour’s greatest Nineties hits, and add some extra of its own — though the restive audience seems unlikely to welcome his new material. Government by Radio 6 dad is as doubtfully appealing a project as rule by Matrix Chambers: the people are already moving elsewhere.

…. But if the odds against Burnham’s success are daunting, so are those facing Reform. Both Burnham and Farage represent, to their respective supporters, last-ditch gambles before the abyss. Mainland Britain is already a more turbulent country than that of the early Seventies: it is difficult to see any plausible route for Burnham to make it less so in the years, or months, between his coronation and the next election.

Burnham faces an insurgent Britain

https://unherd.com/2026/07/burnham-faces-an-insurgent-britain/

BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 19/07/2026 12:15

Politics latest: 'Privatisation of water hasn't worked', key Burnham ally Lucy Powell says | Politics News | Sky News

Some choice words from Lucy Powell (Labour Deputy Leader) this morning [my bold]

MPs 'do need to dial invective down' in politics

"But we have to deal with the threat. And the threat comes from this increasingly polarised, increasingly personalised, sometimes quite toxic debate in this country, which is absolutely amplified and made worse in many cases on social media in the way in which social media operates.

"And we do need to dial that down. We need to disagree agreeably once again, if that is possible, and respect the fact that we do have differing views from each other, but we can do that respectfully."

[does that actually mean "respectfully" or "women budge over for the men... respectfully", Lucy?]

The Manifesto:

"This is a project and a mission over time, reorienting the focus and the priority of the Labour government on the foundations that have been laid over the last two years on the basis of our 2024 manifesto. But refocusing and reprioritising the government to these bigger, bolder outcomes and missions."
[translation: we're going to rewrite the Labour manifesto without the backing of a general election win]

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SionnachRuadh · 18/07/2026 23:29

That's good.

Now let's see what he does about Liz Kendall's plans to crack down on VPNs, or Lisa Nandy proposing to seize control of the YouTube algorithm and force it to privilege "trusted" news outlets.

BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 18/07/2026 23:17

No digital ID this time around. There has been concern about whether or not "sex" should be put ipon a digital ID, but it's moot now.

https://news.sky.com/story/politics-latest-burnham-starmer-labour-paris-tories-badenoch-farage-12593360

Burnham scraps Starmer digital ID scheme in first major policy pledge

Scrapping digital ID is Andy Burnham's first notable policy intervention.
Burnham, who is set to become prime minister on Monday, has been tight-lipped when it comes to specific policy proposals.
^^
However, he has announced that Sir Keir Starmer's much maligned digital ID is for the chop, with the money said to be spent on tackling the cost of living instead.

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BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 18/07/2026 17:41

UtopiaPlanitia · 18/07/2026 17:34

Interesting tweet & article re disquiet within Labour concerning Burnham’s leadership style:

https://nitter.net/alexwickham/status/2078406154753827321

Well that is an interesting read! Trouble already at Chez Andy...

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/07/2026 17:40

Shortshriftandlethal · 18/07/2026 10:21

Now that new drilling licenses for the North Sea have been announced - maybe he could still go with Milliband, seeing that oil and gas reserves/climate policies were one of the main issues people had with him?

Though, of course, he's also going to be sensitive to not having a woman in a top job, and for that reason alone he could go with Mahmood....and then put someone in the Home Office who would water down her reforms to appease those that don't like them.

I don’t think that’s the only issue with Miliband.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/07/2026 17:37

UtopiaPlanitia · 18/07/2026 17:34

Interesting tweet & article re disquiet within Labour concerning Burnham’s leadership style:

https://nitter.net/alexwickham/status/2078406154753827321

Very interesting, thank you. I’ve certainly got all the 🍿 in.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/07/2026 17:35

Yes, never thought of it quite like that but you’re right!