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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

PM Andy Burham: what next for women's (and children's) rights?

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BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 13/07/2026 19:23

There didn't seem to be an appropriate existing thread, so -
Given that none of us voted for Andy (I know, I know, Labour won the last election, vote for party, he is new leader...blah blah) -

Any predictions for how bad it could get (puberty blocker trial, Conversion Bill, etc.)? Anything positive to look forward to?

New backing from MPs mathematically guarantees Burnham's coronation

27 more Labour MPs have nominated Andy Burnham to be leader of the Labour Party - making it mathematically impossible for any other leadership contender to challenge him.
^^
349 Labour MPs have now nominated Burnham, up from 322 on Thursday.
A candidate needs 81 nominations to stand - so there now aren't enough Labour MPs left to nominate anyone else.
^^
Burnham will still need the backing of three affiliated organisations and trade unions.

https://news.sky.com/story/politics-latest-burnham-starmer-labour-tories-badenoch-farage-12593360#12052134

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fromorbit · 21/07/2026 04:19

Raquelos · 20/07/2026 21:13

Doesn't she have a trans activist son? And didn't she once refuse to answer the question, what is a woman with "I don't want to go down that rabbit hole"? I get the feeling that she will go with whatever the prevailing view is that's to her advantage tbh. I hope I'm wrong.

Ahhh beaten to it by OhBuggerandArse (excellent name btw 🙂)

Edited

Indeed. However she can have different opinions to her kids.

She was thought men should not be in women's prisons here:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0dyz4w6

As someone else said I think she is somewhere in the middle at least in public.

Yvette Cooper discusses trans prisoners - BBC Sounds

She says those who've committed crimes against women shouldn't be held in women's jails

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0dyz4w6

38thparallel · 20/07/2026 23:52

they are shady AF

I agree but what does ‘deniable’ mean in that sentence?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/07/2026 23:48

MashaPav · 20/07/2026 23:22

Would be nice if there was no “gender criticals” aka transphobes in government. Their rot has taken hold of their country with their lawfare funded by far right sources and rich bigots.

Sadly you’ll be disappointed. Shabana Mahmood retains her Home Office role and she has no truck with it.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/07/2026 23:46

38thparallel · 20/07/2026 23:43

they also function as a rather effective deniable dirty tricks department of the Labour Party.

@SionnachRuadh I'm being stupid, but I don’t understand this sentence.

they are shady AF.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/07/2026 23:45

SionnachRuadh · 20/07/2026 23:35

Some good appointments (Lou Haigh as CDL is promising); some not so inspiring (Angela Eagle at Defra? wtf?)

The most notable thing is how northern the cabinet now is, with London Labour being reduced to a rump; and one of the handful of London MPs is Miatta Fahnbulleh, whose deep knowledge of African politics has surely taught her that the coup leader needs to fill his government with allied clans from his home province.

(We keep hearing that Miatta's dad was foreign minister of Liberia, which is true, but leaves out the interesting stuff. He was foreign minister in the revolutionary regime of Samuel Doe that took power in 1980 and ousted (read: massacred) the African-American oligarchy that had ruled since independence in 1847. When the Doe regime collapsed in chaos, Fahnbulleh senior fled to London where he hung out in left wing exile circles, occasionally returning to Liberia to run for president. His left wingery seems to have been strictly a London thing. This is probably the most interesting backstory of any current Labour MP.)

Fascinating!

38thparallel · 20/07/2026 23:43

they also function as a rather effective deniable dirty tricks department of the Labour Party.

@SionnachRuadh I'm being stupid, but I don’t understand this sentence.

SionnachRuadh · 20/07/2026 23:35

Some good appointments (Lou Haigh as CDL is promising); some not so inspiring (Angela Eagle at Defra? wtf?)

The most notable thing is how northern the cabinet now is, with London Labour being reduced to a rump; and one of the handful of London MPs is Miatta Fahnbulleh, whose deep knowledge of African politics has surely taught her that the coup leader needs to fill his government with allied clans from his home province.

(We keep hearing that Miatta's dad was foreign minister of Liberia, which is true, but leaves out the interesting stuff. He was foreign minister in the revolutionary regime of Samuel Doe that took power in 1980 and ousted (read: massacred) the African-American oligarchy that had ruled since independence in 1847. When the Doe regime collapsed in chaos, Fahnbulleh senior fled to London where he hung out in left wing exile circles, occasionally returning to Liberia to run for president. His left wingery seems to have been strictly a London thing. This is probably the most interesting backstory of any current Labour MP.)

POMSFlowerInsectTimedCount · 20/07/2026 23:35

Ellie Reeves is Attorney General.

Completely off-topic, but also 'attending Cabinet' will be the minister for AI, who has a degree in PPE and will be completely clueless. This country would be a lot better off if more civil servants and politicians had maths or science degrees.

AimsAndObjectives · 20/07/2026 23:26

MashaPav · 20/07/2026 23:22

Would be nice if there was no “gender criticals” aka transphobes in government. Their rot has taken hold of their country with their lawfare funded by far right sources and rich bigots.

Bummer

MashaPav · 20/07/2026 23:22

Would be nice if there was no “gender criticals” aka transphobes in government. Their rot has taken hold of their country with their lawfare funded by far right sources and rich bigots.

POMSFlowerInsectTimedCount · 20/07/2026 23:13

Ellie Reeves becomes Attorney General.

Edit. Need to check this, seems weird to go from Solicitor General to Attorney General.

Don't know her views, but she was harassed by Tracey Smith.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/07/2026 23:06

Expect the TRAs are as overjoyed as we are 😂

BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 20/07/2026 23:00

Imnobody4 · 20/07/2026 21:40

Bridget Philipson keeps Minister for Women and Equalities.
It's depressing.

Bloody fabulous. Not.

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BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 20/07/2026 22:59

RunningforSam · 20/07/2026 22:07

I think Burnham is likely to steer clear of all things trans as much as he can. I expect he’ll direct his cabinet to do the same. He wants to get traction on matters that will result in winning back the traditional labour voter who isn’t interested in gender or women’s rights……or anything unrelated to their day to day quality of life.

I don't think women need Burnham to "steer clear of all things trans." We need a clear directive from Government that they expect everyone to obey the law. I, for one, don't want another bloody fence-sitter. If Burnham thinks that if he simply keeps his head down, it will all go away, then he obviously knows nothing about the issues or what women have had to put up with for more than 10 years.

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SionnachRuadh · 20/07/2026 22:20

Starmer was the main driving force behind the Assisted Dying Bill, and I suspect Burnham would be happy if it quietly went away.

Nandy stays at DCMS. This is actually a test for Burnham - will Nandy row back from some of the crackpot authoritarianism she's been floating?

OhBuggerandArse · 20/07/2026 22:12

RunningforSam · 20/07/2026 22:07

I think Burnham is likely to steer clear of all things trans as much as he can. I expect he’ll direct his cabinet to do the same. He wants to get traction on matters that will result in winning back the traditional labour voter who isn’t interested in gender or women’s rights……or anything unrelated to their day to day quality of life.

I don't think he'll have the stomach for the fight that would come from stopping the puberty blockers trial or the conversion therapy ban though. He'll just try and hide and hope it all goes away, which means he won't be on top of the whackamole that is trying to stop made gender ideology from popping up in different bits of legislation and policy.

On a similar note (being too scared to address contentious issues head on) what do people think he might do about the Assisted Dying Bill? Enthusiastic enabler or grudging hands-off 'let the chips fall where they may'?

RunningforSam · 20/07/2026 22:07

I think Burnham is likely to steer clear of all things trans as much as he can. I expect he’ll direct his cabinet to do the same. He wants to get traction on matters that will result in winning back the traditional labour voter who isn’t interested in gender or women’s rights……or anything unrelated to their day to day quality of life.

RunningforSam · 20/07/2026 22:02

OhBuggerandArse · 20/07/2026 21:47

What? You'd think even out of pique she would have told him to stick that.

Burnham has made the W&E brief a full cabinet position so she retains the salary and a seat in the cabinet. She wouldn’t turn that down.

JamesKirkupReviewWritersFund · 20/07/2026 22:02

OhBuggerandArse · 20/07/2026 21:35

But KCSIE is out now so she has limited room on that front. I would hope given AB’s focus on education and NEETs that she’ll be directed on that front?

Bertiebiscuit · 20/07/2026 21:57

Because the Left has always had a problem with women, and no Labpur government has ever tried to sort it out.

SionnachRuadh · 20/07/2026 21:57

The one I'm concerned about is Lord Chancellor. I know the LC doesn't strictly have to be a lawyer, but it very much helps, and I'm trying to think of parliamentary lawyers who aren't Starmer cronies, and I keep coming back to Thornberry.

OhBuggerandArse · 20/07/2026 21:47

Imnobody4 · 20/07/2026 21:40

Bridget Philipson keeps Minister for Women and Equalities.
It's depressing.

What? You'd think even out of pique she would have told him to stick that.

Imnobody4 · 20/07/2026 21:40

Bridget Philipson keeps Minister for Women and Equalities.
It's depressing.

OhBuggerandArse · 20/07/2026 21:35

Lucy Powell for Education is not good news at all. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/09/30/trans-rules-wrong-labour-deputy-contender/

Raquelos · 20/07/2026 21:13

fromorbit · 20/07/2026 20:29

Another significant development.

Former Foreign Secretary Yvette Cooper has been reappointed to cabinet as the new health secretary.

Cooper is not an ardent TA for sure and in recent years has said pro reality stuff after trying to duck the question earlier.

The big question is will she be brave enough to stop the puberty blocker trial.

Doesn't she have a trans activist son? And didn't she once refuse to answer the question, what is a woman with "I don't want to go down that rabbit hole"? I get the feeling that she will go with whatever the prevailing view is that's to her advantage tbh. I hope I'm wrong.

Ahhh beaten to it by OhBuggerandArse (excellent name btw 🙂)