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Hilary Cass sent a document to every single MP and Peer, justifying and defending the puberty blockers trial

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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 10/07/2026 13:28

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🚨Breaking🚨 Last night, in what is significant overreach for a backbench Peer, Hilary Cass sent a document to every single MP and Peer, justifying and defending the puberty blockers trial. I have posted below the full document for people to read. He...

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noblegiraffe · 12/07/2026 00:16

NotBadConsidering · 12/07/2026 00:03

So again, why can’t this be challenged?

”Quality of Life”. What is the cause of their potential poor quality of life now?

“Mental health”. What mental health outcomes? What mental health condition are they suffering from that will be assessed to see if there’s improvement?

“Gender identity/dysphoria”. How is this defined and how do you measure if it’s improved or not?

”Body satisfaction”. How is this defined?

And for all of these, what is the logic that blocking puberty is an appropriate treatment?

Have you read the protocol? It goes through all this.

https://www.kcl.ac.uk/ioppn/assets/pathways/trial/pathways-trial-protocol.pdf

https://www.kcl.ac.uk/ioppn/assets/pathways/trial/pathways-trial-protocol.pdf

1984Now · 12/07/2026 00:07

NotBadConsidering · 11/07/2026 23:59

Finland has recognised that there are other conditions leading to children presenting with gender distress, and those are what needs treating.

So how is it not possible the rest of the world to acknowledge that? Why is a PB trial the only way to prevent the harm from PBs?

Why, before the trial even begins, can’t we demand an explanation as to what is being treated and have a clear ethical decision that it is a condition that needs PBs?

Because in saying the PB trial is to treat teens with gender dysphoria, they'd have to explain/define gender, an impossible task because even the trans ideologues can't do so without gender "definitions" being a circular concept.
If they can't explain gender, then they can't explain gender dysphoria, then they can't explain what will be treated by PBs, what the desired outcome is, and thus can't measure success or failure.
But those still sticking up for this trial, and those who've entrenched these concepts societally, will feel better about themselves.

NotBadConsidering · 12/07/2026 00:03

noblegiraffe · 11/07/2026 23:58

See below.

So again, why can’t this be challenged?

”Quality of Life”. What is the cause of their potential poor quality of life now?

“Mental health”. What mental health outcomes? What mental health condition are they suffering from that will be assessed to see if there’s improvement?

“Gender identity/dysphoria”. How is this defined and how do you measure if it’s improved or not?

”Body satisfaction”. How is this defined?

And for all of these, what is the logic that blocking puberty is an appropriate treatment?

BeKindWisely · 12/07/2026 00:01

Many thanks BettyBooper

This letter shows that Cass seems very aligned with the original Dutch protocol- that what is key is the ability to pass as the opposite sex as an adult.

NotBadConsidering · 11/07/2026 23:59

Finland has recognised that there are other conditions leading to children presenting with gender distress, and those are what needs treating.

So how is it not possible the rest of the world to acknowledge that? Why is a PB trial the only way to prevent the harm from PBs?

Why, before the trial even begins, can’t we demand an explanation as to what is being treated and have a clear ethical decision that it is a condition that needs PBs?

noblegiraffe · 11/07/2026 23:58

OldCrone · 11/07/2026 23:47

a clinical trial is probably your best bet.

A clinical trial to do what? What are they trying to achieve?

Is it to see if the children can be reconciled with their bodies if puberty is delayed meaning they can then be allowed to develop normally into adults with full sexual function?

Is it to see if they pass better and have better outcomes as adult transsexuals than those who go through puberty?

What are they trying to achieve? What would be a good outcome for these children?

See below.

Hilary Cass sent a document to every single MP and Peer, justifying and defending the puberty blockers trial
noblegiraffe · 11/07/2026 23:55

NotBadConsidering · 11/07/2026 23:42

How is it NOT working out? It’s worked in Finland. Why do you consider we have reached a point where this option has been lost?

As far as I can tell, Finland still prescribe puberty blockers to children.

OldCrone · 11/07/2026 23:47

noblegiraffe · 11/07/2026 23:34

It's to explore the potential benefits and risks. It lays it out.

And you can dispute the terms all you like, but internationally, a whole load of kids are being prescribed puberty blockers for feelings of distress about their gender.

If you want that to stop, then a clinical trial is probably your best bet.

Because otherwise you're just shouting that the drugs don't work and harm kids at people who are shouting that the drugs do work and that denying them to kids is harming them.

a clinical trial is probably your best bet.

A clinical trial to do what? What are they trying to achieve?

Is it to see if the children can be reconciled with their bodies if puberty is delayed meaning they can then be allowed to develop normally into adults with full sexual function?

Is it to see if they pass better and have better outcomes as adult transsexuals than those who go through puberty?

What are they trying to achieve? What would be a good outcome for these children?

NotBadConsidering · 11/07/2026 23:42

noblegiraffe · 11/07/2026 23:40

How is that working out for you?

How is it NOT working out? It’s worked in Finland. Why do you consider we have reached a point where this option has been lost?

noblegiraffe · 11/07/2026 23:40

NotBadConsidering · 11/07/2026 23:36

If you want that to stop, then a clinical trial is probably your best bet.

But this is just an opinion.

It’s perfectly possible to stop children being harmed by puberty blockers by getting everyone to realise there is no condition to be treated by them in the first place.

How is that working out for you?

1984Now · 11/07/2026 23:37

OldCrone · 11/07/2026 23:19

The main problem is that the trial is based on utter nonsense.

This is from your link:

Gender incongruence is when someone’s gender doesn’t match the sex they were registered at birth. Puberty can be a difficult time for young people with gender incongruence. This is because their body starts to change in ways that don’t match how they feel inside.

"Someone's gender". What does this mean? In what way is it expected to match their sex? What does it mean for a gender to match a sex? What does it mean for someone's body to change in ways that don’t match how they feel inside?

The whole thing is meaningless with undefined terms and no explanation of what they are actually trying to achieve.

Like I read once, gender dysphoria is body dysphoria. You learn to hate how you look, how you feel, how you transform into something you hate.
The gender part of gender dysphoria is simply the thing that seems to be at the root of this hate.
Unfortunately, despite gender not being a thing that's objective about oneself, it's all around us, from consumer society, to how the sexes view each other, to societal expectations.
If your brain can't gel with your body with all these conflicts inside and out swirling around, then the "solution" would seem to swap ones gender to another one that seems consistent with contrary stresses.
So, gender is at once nothing, and then again everything.
Yet the objective reality is that we are who we are, hating our bodies because of our biology and how it might jar with expectations is part of growing up.

NotBadConsidering · 11/07/2026 23:36

noblegiraffe · 11/07/2026 23:34

It's to explore the potential benefits and risks. It lays it out.

And you can dispute the terms all you like, but internationally, a whole load of kids are being prescribed puberty blockers for feelings of distress about their gender.

If you want that to stop, then a clinical trial is probably your best bet.

Because otherwise you're just shouting that the drugs don't work and harm kids at people who are shouting that the drugs do work and that denying them to kids is harming them.

If you want that to stop, then a clinical trial is probably your best bet.

But this is just an opinion.

It’s perfectly possible to stop children being harmed by puberty blockers by getting everyone to realise there is no condition to be treated by them in the first place.

NotBadConsidering · 11/07/2026 23:35

Tottenhamhotflushes · 11/07/2026 23:33

Apologies, but you will need to read the second half of the quote for that. I couldn’t post it all in one comment.

There’s nothing in that quote that answers my question.

Name another treatment given to children that is comparable to PBs.

Independent of that, state whether you think this treatment is ethical.

noblegiraffe · 11/07/2026 23:34

OldCrone · 11/07/2026 23:19

The main problem is that the trial is based on utter nonsense.

This is from your link:

Gender incongruence is when someone’s gender doesn’t match the sex they were registered at birth. Puberty can be a difficult time for young people with gender incongruence. This is because their body starts to change in ways that don’t match how they feel inside.

"Someone's gender". What does this mean? In what way is it expected to match their sex? What does it mean for a gender to match a sex? What does it mean for someone's body to change in ways that don’t match how they feel inside?

The whole thing is meaningless with undefined terms and no explanation of what they are actually trying to achieve.

It's to explore the potential benefits and risks. It lays it out.

And you can dispute the terms all you like, but internationally, a whole load of kids are being prescribed puberty blockers for feelings of distress about their gender.

If you want that to stop, then a clinical trial is probably your best bet.

Because otherwise you're just shouting that the drugs don't work and harm kids at people who are shouting that the drugs do work and that denying them to kids is harming them.

Tottenhamhotflushes · 11/07/2026 23:33

NotBadConsidering · 11/07/2026 23:29

Is this meant to be an answer to my questions?

Apologies, but you will need to read the second half of the quote for that. I couldn’t post it all in one comment.

NotBadConsidering · 11/07/2026 23:30

Tottenhamhotflushes · 11/07/2026 23:13

Those quotes were taken from

"The GOP's War On Trans Kids Relies On Myths About Progressive Europe"
From The Stranger

Can't post link for some reason.

Probably because MNHQ filtering our nonsense.

Name another treatment given to children that is like PBs for children with an unexplained condition.

Regardless of other treatments, do you think it’s ethical to sterilise children in this manner?

NotBadConsidering · 11/07/2026 23:29

Tottenhamhotflushes · 11/07/2026 23:04

"Scientists use the GRADE method as a tool to evaluate systematic reviews; it rates evidence from “very high quality” to “very low quality.” Randomized controlled trials are presumed “high quality” evidence, and observational studies are rated as “low quality” evidence.
Researchers have said that conducting randomized controlled trials for gender-affirming treatments would be unethical because it would require denying potentially life-saving health care from the control group.
Dr. Dan Karasic, professor emeritus of Psychiatry at UC – San Francisco, said that opponents of gender-affirming care use the GRADE system to hold the evidence on this issue to “an impossible standard”.
“The ‘low quality’ [rating] is just going to be how anything is assigned by GRADE. If you don’t have randomized controlled trials, your study is not going to have a high GRADE score,” said Karasic.
According to Karasic, prescribing treatments that have “low quality” evidence is common, especially in pediatrics. “We do all kinds of interventions, routinely where evidence is limited. So, it’s not that we have randomized controlled trials for everything we do. And especially if you’re working in mental health and you’re working with minors, we’re using interventions all the time that are not FDA-approved for minors.”

Is this meant to be an answer to my questions?

OldCrone · 11/07/2026 23:19

noblegiraffe · 11/07/2026 23:09

https://www.kcl.ac.uk/research/pathways-trial
Rationale is here.

Many people think that they don't provide any benefits. Many people are equally adamant that they do. I, personally, lean towards thinking that if there are children who would benefit, it's at best a very small subset of the children who have been offered to them in recent years. However we need evidence that it will not provide any benefit. But at the moment, the people who do think they provide benefits are dominating the treatment protocols internationally. Telling people that the drugs don't work isn't going to cut it to stop this. In addition, those people who are making money from providing the kids with the drugs are incentivised to contribute to the discourse that convinces children that they have a problem that means that they need these drugs in the first place. The industry needs shutting down.

There are plenty of people who believed homeopathy provided benefits. They would absolutely 100% swear that the water cured their medical issues. Telling people it was merely water did nothing to change that belief. There are various reasons why people might think an intervention does something that it doesn't actually do. Clinical trials provide the evidence.

The main problem is that the trial is based on utter nonsense.

This is from your link:

Gender incongruence is when someone’s gender doesn’t match the sex they were registered at birth. Puberty can be a difficult time for young people with gender incongruence. This is because their body starts to change in ways that don’t match how they feel inside.

"Someone's gender". What does this mean? In what way is it expected to match their sex? What does it mean for a gender to match a sex? What does it mean for someone's body to change in ways that don’t match how they feel inside?

The whole thing is meaningless with undefined terms and no explanation of what they are actually trying to achieve.

Tottenhamhotflushes · 11/07/2026 23:13

NotBadConsidering · 11/07/2026 11:51

Can you name another treatment that is still given to children that has such questionable ethics around it?

Do you have an answer to my question as to whether you think THIS is ethical?

Is it ethical to sterilise a child without any certainty a) the child will definitely grow up and identify as someone who wishes they hadn’t gone through puberty and b) it will help them with their distress about that?

Those quotes were taken from

"The GOP's War On Trans Kids Relies On Myths About Progressive Europe"
From The Stranger

Can't post link for some reason.

Tottenhamhotflushes · 11/07/2026 23:10

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Tottenhamhotflushes · 11/07/2026 23:09

NotBadConsidering · 11/07/2026 11:51

Can you name another treatment that is still given to children that has such questionable ethics around it?

Do you have an answer to my question as to whether you think THIS is ethical?

Is it ethical to sterilise a child without any certainty a) the child will definitely grow up and identify as someone who wishes they hadn’t gone through puberty and b) it will help them with their distress about that?

"One of those treatments, Karasic says, is antidepressants. A systematic review performed by Cochrane, an international nonprofit research organization that has conducted thousands of systematic reviews, found that for children and adolescents “most antidepressants may be associated with a ‘small and unimportant’ reduction in depression symptoms.” And even this “small and unimportant” association was “low certainty” for some of these drugs.
And, like gender-affirming treatments, antidepressants come with serious risks. These risks include potential bone density loss, which is a commonly cited risk of puberty blockers, as well as suicidality. “Antidepressants have a black box warning in minors for an increase in suicidality, and yet we use them all the time because they help a lot of people,” Karasic said.
Karasic also pointed to the fact that there are no studies showing that anything else works for gender dysphoria. “For those who do need it, there’s not an alternative treatment,” he said.
Dr. Meredithe McNamara, assistant professor of Pediatrics at Yale, agrees that the term “low quality” can be misleading. “I would say that the problem is that ‘low quality’ evidence is a technical term that spiraled out from the GRADE method,” she said.
Last year, McNamara led a team of researchers who wrote a critical analysis of Florida’s new guidelines that cited “low quality” evidence to justify ending Medicaid coverage for gender-affirming care both for children and adults. McNamara’s analysis showed that a consistent application of this standard would force the state to deny coverage for mammograms, routine surgeries, and drugs that lower cholesterol.
She argued that high-quality evidence is often not available to assess treatments on minors and for rare conditions, and so the lack of it isn’t a good reason to deny treatment.
“You don’t need high-quality evidence to practice good care. You don’t need high-quality evidence to follow strong recommendations,” she said."

noblegiraffe · 11/07/2026 23:09

OldCrone · 11/07/2026 22:38

What benefits do you think this treatment will provide to the participants?

What exactly is the condition which is being treated and why are puberty blockers the chosen treatment?

What does a good outcome look like for the participants?

https://www.kcl.ac.uk/research/pathways-trial
Rationale is here.

Many people think that they don't provide any benefits. Many people are equally adamant that they do. I, personally, lean towards thinking that if there are children who would benefit, it's at best a very small subset of the children who have been offered to them in recent years. However we need evidence that it will not provide any benefit. But at the moment, the people who do think they provide benefits are dominating the treatment protocols internationally. Telling people that the drugs don't work isn't going to cut it to stop this. In addition, those people who are making money from providing the kids with the drugs are incentivised to contribute to the discourse that convinces children that they have a problem that means that they need these drugs in the first place. The industry needs shutting down.

There are plenty of people who believed homeopathy provided benefits. They would absolutely 100% swear that the water cured their medical issues. Telling people it was merely water did nothing to change that belief. There are various reasons why people might think an intervention does something that it doesn't actually do. Clinical trials provide the evidence.

KCL

PATHWAYS TRIAL | King's College London

PATHWAYS TRIAL focuses on the effects of puberty suppressing hormones on young people’s physical, social and emotional well-being.

https://www.kcl.ac.uk/research/pathways-trial

Tottenhamhotflushes · 11/07/2026 23:08

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Tottenhamhotflushes · 11/07/2026 23:04

NotBadConsidering · 11/07/2026 11:51

Can you name another treatment that is still given to children that has such questionable ethics around it?

Do you have an answer to my question as to whether you think THIS is ethical?

Is it ethical to sterilise a child without any certainty a) the child will definitely grow up and identify as someone who wishes they hadn’t gone through puberty and b) it will help them with their distress about that?

"Scientists use the GRADE method as a tool to evaluate systematic reviews; it rates evidence from “very high quality” to “very low quality.” Randomized controlled trials are presumed “high quality” evidence, and observational studies are rated as “low quality” evidence.
Researchers have said that conducting randomized controlled trials for gender-affirming treatments would be unethical because it would require denying potentially life-saving health care from the control group.
Dr. Dan Karasic, professor emeritus of Psychiatry at UC – San Francisco, said that opponents of gender-affirming care use the GRADE system to hold the evidence on this issue to “an impossible standard”.
“The ‘low quality’ [rating] is just going to be how anything is assigned by GRADE. If you don’t have randomized controlled trials, your study is not going to have a high GRADE score,” said Karasic.
According to Karasic, prescribing treatments that have “low quality” evidence is common, especially in pediatrics. “We do all kinds of interventions, routinely where evidence is limited. So, it’s not that we have randomized controlled trials for everything we do. And especially if you’re working in mental health and you’re working with minors, we’re using interventions all the time that are not FDA-approved for minors.”