Is advocating the ridicule and scaring of trans-identifying children deeply concerning?

I assume this is sarcasm?

Not sure what happened to the above post but I'll try again:

Yes, this is objectively the correct thing to do. Allowing male rapists into our spaces will lead to women being killed. If that means crushing the dreams of some stupid little children, who let twitter think for them, then so be it. I will give no quarter on this issue.

Be brave, everybody. I personally have experience with this. When my grandson tried making gender-woo sorts of noises at me, I shut him down instantly. I told him that his sick perversions would mean he wasn't welcome at our family home any more. I lectured him on the immutability of his sex. And now we don't speak - but as far as I know he's still a man. And I count that as a win.

Yes. Sissification and humiliation is a big part of AGP.

That’s not what @StandingDeskDisco is saying.

Men in woman face = usually AGP and fetish driven, needing therapy and to keep well away from women and girls’ single sexed spaces
women in man face = vulnerable, often autistic, or traumatised young girls needing support and safeguarding.

Two different populations, two different responses warranted.

Women in 'man face' = good
Men in 'woman face' = bad.

Commenter on one hand encourages teenage repression only to condemn them for 'coming out' too late as AGP. Quite the mental gymnastics!

the fetishists don't want to pass. They want people to notice and be uncomfortable - that's the point.

OMG that is so true. A lightbulb moment. That is why their make up can be so awful, despite millions of tik toks teaching you how to do make up.

I don't think adults should be policing 'gender norms' in teenage boys, even if done with humour and gentle piss taking.
If your teenage son likes nail polish, fine, put some in his Christmas stocking.

If you have an issue with boys wearing nail polish, perhaps you need to reflect on that.
But of course, never for one minute suggest to your son that he has the right to go into the girls changing room.

Shark well and truly jumped.

Oh I don’t know

clearly by @Baileyoniceconcepts I am a transman

yet I think that body modification to fit that image is just evidence that society isn’t ready for the concept. Body modifications are harmful - surgery carries risks and messing around with hormones has never ended well yet for anyone

so I deserve as much respect as anyone but can at the same time acknowledge that I couldn’t be a transman unless my body was female and that’s who I am ? And I don’t see a need to do anything other than rail against the gender stereotypes that eg stop me being treated as fairly as a man in the work environment when to me I clearly am a man

(of course it’s not that simple - I prefer slightly longer hair to the average man )

Hear, hear.

Have just posted under Barry’s post pointing out that he was wrong to advocate ridicule. Not that I have any caché on TwiX LOL

Honestly, why does everyone keep responding to Baileyonice who takes over every thread they get their bloody claws into. Just ignore it FFS!

I think the phrase "men in dresses" is mostly used for middle-aged men with AGP who decide later in life to transition.
They are a very different population to confused and vulnerable teenagers. The latter are deserving of sympathy and all the help they need. Whereas (in many cases though perhaps not all) the former are deserving of contempt for choosing to invade women's spaces.

Me too. Am sure the majority of us commenting are also GenXers anyway, given how many of us have kids under 25. One of the most tolerant, anti-establishment, exploratory generations - the one that lived with Aids, fought for LGB rights, campaigned against apartheid, and celebrated the most incredible Boomer generation artists such as Bowie, Annie Lennox and many many others.

The ‘Boomers’ paved the way for GenX, for both good and bad reasons, obviously, but no single generation is a monolith… rather as we keep being told trans people aren’t.

Anyway, OP, I agree with your post.

Ridicule and 'harsh' responses seem wholly uncalled for and likely to be counter productive.

There is room for being more assertive and robust, but that isn't the same thing.

I am so tired of 'boomer' being used as a term of abuse.

Subjective reality

Dry water

Cold heat

Female man

And pretending to your child that they are literally the opposite sex isn’t emotional abuse?

Barry isnt a young man bloody hell, he's an old ish gay bloke who used to train in EDI and then found out what it was turning into and has railed against it ever since.

Unfortunately he seems to blame women for much of it, and his theory is based on, kids should be bloody petrified of getting into all this trans shit, after all they want to cut your cock off.

His words not mine. Dont come at me.

He is a member on here if I remember correctly so if someone has his user name, you can call him into the conversation if you want.

I agree with @FlatCatYellowMat and I suspect that a lot of other people posting here do too.

No they are not.

'Woman' and 'Man' are the words used in english to denote an adult human male and an adult human female. An infant/junior female is a girl; and an infant/junior male is a boy.

I’ve long since ignored him. He means well, but can sometimes get carried away and I think his ego sometimes overshadows the points he is making. He called this wrong. Much of that post is valid, but like you I absolutely do not support ridiculing a TP’s deeply felt beliefs. I do believe in questioning and encouraging exploration - but, no, it is never okay to ridicule someone and especially a young someone.

Well, unless they are a bloke in a dress. Izzard and Willoughby deserve all they get. (I am a hypocrit, I know.)

So tired of this nonsense.

Men can be feminine. I don’t think anyone has ever said otherwise. But feminine men aren’t women because they’re feminine. Men with autogynephilia (an exclusively male paraphilia) aren’t women either.

If they have ‘an inclination for feminine aesthetics’ then great! Crack on. Just own it as a male and don’t claim to be “living as a woman”. Plenty of pop stars did it the 80s. Harry Styles - alpha male - wearing nail polish and ball gowns. Grand.

Men claiming to ‘live as a women’ by changing their name and making cosmetic changes is so bloody insulting.

The word ‘woman’ means ‘adult human female’. to distinguish us from adult female cats, or elephants. Woke reimagining to suit men, doesn’t change that. If you mean the sexist stereotypes of masculinity and femininity then say that.

Ridicule of ‘trans kids’ wouldn’t be my first choice, but it’s infinitely better than lying to them. Honesty is always the kindest thing.

I’m going to assume posters saying the opposite either don’t have kids or shouldn’t have them.