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Four councillors quit after vote for rapist taxi driver to keep operator licence (Scotland)

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IwantToRetire · 08/07/2026 19:23

Four councillors who voted to allow a rapist taxi driver to keep his operator's licence have quit Highland Council's licensing committee.

David Brown, 50, was jailed for six years and nine months in May after attacking an 18-year-old female passenger in December 2023.
Last month, following a request from Brown's family, the committee's six male councillors voted to allow his operator's licence to continue, while its four female councillors voted against it.

Article continues at https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjrggzx14r5o

The SNP group on Highland Council has suspended one of its councillors after he voted to allow a rapist taxi driver to keep his operator's licence.

Chris Birt was one of six male councillors who voted to take no action on David Brown's licence after the 50-year-old was jailed for an attack on an 18-year-old female passenger.

Raymond Bremner, SNP group leader at Highland Council, confirmed Birt was suspended on Tuesday.

Bremner had earlier suggested Birt should resign from Highland licensing committee after four other councillors quit.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2wkw765kwo

I dont know is things are worse in Scotland, or that somehow more reporting is done.

Just shocking.

And a big thank you to the 4 unnamed women councillors who voted against the rapist keeping his licence.

What better example of how men in power protect other men, even if they are a convicted rapist. But then look at football.

The four male councilors show in a composite image

Four councillors quit after vote for rapist taxi driver to keep operator licence

The four have resigned from Highland licensing committee after voting to allow David Brown to keep an operator's licence.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjrggzx14r5o

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AstonUniversityPotholeDepartment · 08/07/2026 21:24

The original coverage of this case said the police recommended against the operator's licence being continued.

I'd like to know why the police thought the licence should be removed, before I'll agree that these councillors were doing their jobs.

BettyBooper · 08/07/2026 21:16

Emilesgran · 08/07/2026 21:04

The point would be the same point that means that a licence is needed to run a taxi firm in the first place: it's a job that puts the driver in a position to abuse vulnerable clients, so extra care is needed compared to, say, a factory employee.

And since the rules around granting licences have shown themselves to be inadequate, extra care needs to be taken before assuming that all the other drivers are honourable upstanding people who just were unfortnate enough to have been employed by a rapIst;

This shoudn't be hard to grasp.

And I'm sucked back in...

Which laws do you think need to be changed to ensure a rapist can't work for a taxi company? The laws already exist.

I mean, I do hear you. You're suspicious, fair enough.

But reasonably, unless someone is convicted of (or even given the Enhanced DBS rules, there is intelligence of suspicious activity) what do you think should happen?

I'm asking genuinely. If you worked for a guy who turned out to be a rapist would you be happy to lose your job via guilt by association?

likelysuspect · 08/07/2026 21:12

Emilesgran · 08/07/2026 21:04

The point would be the same point that means that a licence is needed to run a taxi firm in the first place: it's a job that puts the driver in a position to abuse vulnerable clients, so extra care is needed compared to, say, a factory employee.

And since the rules around granting licences have shown themselves to be inadequate, extra care needs to be taken before assuming that all the other drivers are honourable upstanding people who just were unfortnate enough to have been employed by a rapIst;

This shoudn't be hard to grasp.

Unless they change the law and the rules for their area for ALL the cab firms in that area, that isnt going to happen.

Have you looked up the requirements in that area? I dont know what they are.

What checks would have prevented this crime?

Emilesgran · 08/07/2026 21:04

likelysuspect · 08/07/2026 20:52

None of your posts make sense

The law has done its job, its convicted and sentenced the criminal The consequences of the crime are that he is banged up

Unless there is evidence that the people relying on the operators licence were co defendants/also convicted of crimes, there isnt a need to remove the operators licence which would also remove their way of earning a living.

What would be the point of that?

The point would be the same point that means that a licence is needed to run a taxi firm in the first place: it's a job that puts the driver in a position to abuse vulnerable clients, so extra care is needed compared to, say, a factory employee.

And since the rules around granting licences have shown themselves to be inadequate, extra care needs to be taken before assuming that all the other drivers are honourable upstanding people who just were unfortnate enough to have been employed by a rapIst;

This shoudn't be hard to grasp.

Emilesgran · 08/07/2026 21:01

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/07/2026 20:52

TBH I think they should be erring on the side of caution whether or not employees would be affected.

Exactly this. There's a real risk here, and it woudl be crazy to just assume it's ok. It's pretty much self evidence that the rules are insufficient - otherwise how is a rapist running a taxi firm?

It's really odd that so many women (I suppose) are eager to prioritise the jobs of potenaitl rapists. I mean, even if the firm closed down, the demand for taxis doesn't disappear - those drivers who have nothing to reproach themselves with can either wget a job at another taxi firm or set up on their own account.

likelysuspect · 08/07/2026 20:52

IwantToRetire · 08/07/2026 20:44

Nothing to stop those who want to operate a taxi firm to apply for a licence.

This forum is full of threads criticising TRAs for saying the law doesn't suit them so shouldn't be implemented.

And then of a feminist forum, posters are saying a rapist shouldn't have to accept the consequences of his crime.

What next.

Not sending DV perpetrators to prison because the man was the bread winner for the family.

Let alone all those MPs who think it isn't fair that their status as an MP might be jeopardised because they've been caught out fiddling their finances.

None of your posts make sense

The law has done its job, its convicted and sentenced the criminal The consequences of the crime are that he is banged up

Unless there is evidence that the people relying on the operators licence were co defendants/also convicted of crimes, there isnt a need to remove the operators licence which would also remove their way of earning a living.

What would be the point of that?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/07/2026 20:52

TBH I think they should be erring on the side of caution whether or not employees would be affected.

BettyBooper · 08/07/2026 20:49

Emilesgran · 08/07/2026 20:39

I don't know how black and white it is though - why did four women councillors vote against and the men all vote for? That woudl concern me. I agree we don't know any more than that - but that's something I'd need explained to me before I'd ever have anything to do with the company. And it's a bit odd that the wife just assumed it was all ok and she could just take over as if nothng had happened.

I hear you. Very good points.

I just would like to know the full story to make a balanced decision that doesn't (eg) unnecessarily penalise innocent workers because a headline is taken out of context.

Yeah, I'm actually out now!

likelysuspect · 08/07/2026 20:48

Emilesgran · 08/07/2026 20:36

This sounds like damning with faint praise. Are the rules sufficient to keep women safe, and even if they mostly are, is there any risk that this particular firm, being owned by an actual rapist, was keeping to the letter and the spirit of those rules?
As a PP said, the company is tainted by its owner, and if I were the wife taking it over, I'd want to re examine ALL the drivers very carefully before sending them out on the road.
And actually if I were a potential client there, I'd want to know just how careful the wife herself was. I don't see any reason to assume they're all grand except him.

Ive no idea if the rules are 'sufficient' whatever that would look like, Im simply answering posts that assume there could be or will be some 'extra checks' (again, whatever they would look like) on this company. The checks will be those that the LA require any of the cab firms in that area to abide by. I have no idea what they are. I dont even know what they are for my own area. We dont have uber here so we use the local cab firms.

BettyBooper · 08/07/2026 20:44

IwantToRetire · 08/07/2026 20:38

Well you can interpret how you like.

I wasn't talking about you.

I was talking about the decision as you explained it.

Complete Trumpian bollocks.

If laws can be put aside because of commercial concerns that is not implenting the law equally.

That's not hard to grasp is it.

Er, you quoted me.

You are interpreting as you like.

You are being hostile where no hostility is necessary.

Again, you aren't doing yourself any favours. I'm out.

IwantToRetire · 08/07/2026 20:44

HenriettaHippopotamus · 08/07/2026 20:37

Thanks! I agree that the story reported isn’t anything like what the reality is.

Nothing to stop those who want to operate a taxi firm to apply for a licence.

This forum is full of threads criticising TRAs for saying the law doesn't suit them so shouldn't be implemented.

And then of a feminist forum, posters are saying a rapist shouldn't have to accept the consequences of his crime.

What next.

Not sending DV perpetrators to prison because the man was the bread winner for the family.

Let alone all those MPs who think it isn't fair that their status as an MP might be jeopardised because they've been caught out fiddling their finances.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/07/2026 20:41

Emilesgran · 08/07/2026 20:39

I don't know how black and white it is though - why did four women councillors vote against and the men all vote for? That woudl concern me. I agree we don't know any more than that - but that's something I'd need explained to me before I'd ever have anything to do with the company. And it's a bit odd that the wife just assumed it was all ok and she could just take over as if nothng had happened.

I agree. Plenty of discussion of this in the original thread.

Emilesgran · 08/07/2026 20:39

BettyBooper · 08/07/2026 20:32

I can understand that. And potential risks of other people working there would be a legitimate concern, as someone mentioned upthread. I just don't think it's as black and white as first presented.

I don't know how black and white it is though - why did four women councillors vote against and the men all vote for? That woudl concern me. I agree we don't know any more than that - but that's something I'd need explained to me before I'd ever have anything to do with the company. And it's a bit odd that the wife just assumed it was all ok and she could just take over as if nothng had happened.

IwantToRetire · 08/07/2026 20:38

BettyBooper · 08/07/2026 20:28

That is not remotely what I said.

You do yourself no favours, honestly. This is why when I see a thread started by you I scroll on by.

I said my understanding is because he's in prison the risk from him is minimised and other people should not be penalised because of his wrong-doing.

And because of that you compare me to Trump (for reasons unknown).

What a complete load of bollocks, right back atcha.

Well you can interpret how you like.

I wasn't talking about you.

I was talking about the decision as you explained it.

Complete Trumpian bollocks.

If laws can be put aside because of commercial concerns that is not implenting the law equally.

That's not hard to grasp is it.

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HenriettaHippopotamus · 08/07/2026 20:37

likelysuspect · 08/07/2026 19:48

Thats right there have been several threads about this. This is an operators licence and a family member (who I assume jointly owns the company or runs it or something) appealed for the operator licence to remain in place. Presumably other people would lose their livelihoods if it was removed. I dont know the rules as to how they work, if he lost his operator licence perhaps that would render the company redundant or have to close it down while another company is formed and reopened? Not sure.

This is not the story that people think it is, and it needs to keep being corrected on threads like this.

Thanks! I agree that the story reported isn’t anything like what the reality is.

Emilesgran · 08/07/2026 20:36

likelysuspect · 08/07/2026 20:05

Different local authorities have different requirements for what checks are completed on cab firm employees so they'll abide by whatever the rules are for that area.

This sounds like damning with faint praise. Are the rules sufficient to keep women safe, and even if they mostly are, is there any risk that this particular firm, being owned by an actual rapist, was keeping to the letter and the spirit of those rules?
As a PP said, the company is tainted by its owner, and if I were the wife taking it over, I'd want to re examine ALL the drivers very carefully before sending them out on the road.
And actually if I were a potential client there, I'd want to know just how careful the wife herself was. I don't see any reason to assume they're all grand except him.

BettyBooper · 08/07/2026 20:32

icingonmycupcake · 08/07/2026 20:13

Speaking personally, I wouldn't use that particular taxi company ever again. I realise it was only one man. But the company itself would be tainted for me.

I can understand that. And potential risks of other people working there would be a legitimate concern, as someone mentioned upthread. I just don't think it's as black and white as first presented.

BettyBooper · 08/07/2026 20:28

IwantToRetire · 08/07/2026 19:47

Since when did a convicted criminal not have to serve their sentence because of their work, financial considerations.

What a complete load of bollocks.

This would create a whole new class of rapists. Men who do "essential" work will never ever have to do time in prison.

Sounds like one of Trump's more nutty (male centred) world view.

That is not remotely what I said.

You do yourself no favours, honestly. This is why when I see a thread started by you I scroll on by.

I said my understanding is because he's in prison the risk from him is minimised and other people should not be penalised because of his wrong-doing.

And because of that you compare me to Trump (for reasons unknown).

What a complete load of bollocks, right back atcha.

icingonmycupcake · 08/07/2026 20:13

BettyBooper · 08/07/2026 19:32

Weren't they voting against because it would put lots of jobs at risk by having to halt the licence to the firm whilst they sorted out a new operator? Risk minimal because the guy was in prison?

Yes, the guy should utterly suffer, but other people being penalised and losing their jobs seems crazy.

Sorry if I've got this wrong.

Speaking personally, I wouldn't use that particular taxi company ever again. I realise it was only one man. But the company itself would be tainted for me.

Nearly50omg · 08/07/2026 20:09

The law in Scotland still says you can beat your wife with a stick and they don’t believe in coercive control and won’t charge a husband with it!

icingonmycupcake · 08/07/2026 20:06

Good. Now fire the other two. 😡

likelysuspect · 08/07/2026 20:05

Emilesgran · 08/07/2026 19:50

I think the poster meant other drivers working for the firm should be allowed to continue, as well as the rapist's wife.
As I said just now though, I think that's a firm where all the employees would need to be carefully looked at before assuming they were all grand and it was the firm's owner who was dodgy. I woudln't be surprised if he employed dodgy mates too.

Different local authorities have different requirements for what checks are completed on cab firm employees so they'll abide by whatever the rules are for that area.

bunnypenny · 08/07/2026 20:02

their photos been in the article since it was first published earlier today.

Four councillors quit after vote for rapist taxi driver to keep operator licence (Scotland)
IwantToRetire · 08/07/2026 19:59

bunnypenny · 08/07/2026 19:54

The names of the female councillors who voted against it are right there in the article OP, along with their photos.

How strange. For whatever reason in both articles I can only see photos of men!

I wonder if there is an updated version of the article.

Will keep checking

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