Why do some feminists oppose misogyny but support gender ideology?

The cis women can be violent too that's why women's prisons exist obviously. (Can't believe i have to spell this out but here we are).

What it does do is fill up the thread nicely and make it too boring for any lurker to bother with, which (given the relay-work that seems to have been going on in this one) is probably the objective.

It's the trouble with encouraging them bang on so people can see how absurd their arguments are; they are so dull that it drives people away.

(Mind you, I get a terrible urge to answer every single one of the nonsensical pseudo-intellectual posts with the words "Clerical fascism!", which would be at least as relevant and meaningful....)

You really should check before babble:

https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/tennis-star-sisters-unveil-resource-center-victims-gun-violence-compton/

And that's just one of many.

Your comprehension needs serious work. I said she hasn't advocated for poor women's access to sport. Her background is irrelevant although you would think she would know better given her experience. But I suppose there's no twitter love in that.

Which woman are you talking about here? The man who presents as a woman?

Can you say what he could do in a cell with a biological woman?

The term biological being unnecessary as she’s the only woman, but to ask clearly.

What could the man presenting as a woman do when he shares with a woman?

Like Serena and Venus Williams? Althea Gibson?

This might come as shock, so brace yourself, but some women can be ….a wee bit violent….THAT'S WHY THEY ARE IN PRISON!

Nary a whisper from Martina except for non issues that affect rich white women…

I think you have jumped the shark.

Leaving to one side how privileged one can be when one grew up behind the iron curtain and was an out lesbian years before organisations like Stonewall even existed, the idea that only white rich women are entitled to fair competition is as grossly offensive as it is ridiculous.

I don't know who you think you are defending or why. It's certainly not women, but I don't think you are helping trans people either.

Gosh you are so right, all top female athletes are rich white women

Racist as well as clueless

Right so there could be a situation where the trans woman is more of a risk to a woman in a cell?

Is there a reason you can think this could be the case?

And as pointed out below a trans man with a male. What is the heightened risk there

Forgive me but has Martina been concerning herself with the most significant problem to access in women's sport: Poverty?

Ya think all those athletes from nice middle & upper class families that cried about Lia Thomas 5 th place would be even close to that if there wasn't such a monumental gap in wealth inequality?

Nary a whisper from Martina except for non issues that affect rich white women…

Forgive me but has Martina been concerning herself with the most significant problem to access in women's sport: Poverty?

Ya think all those athletes from nice middle & upper class families that cried about Lia Thomas 5 th place would be even close to that if there wasn't such a monumental gap in wealth inequality?

Nary a whisper from Martina except for non issues that affect rich white women…

Don't shoot the messenger. You clearly failed to understand the obvious difference & it's actually spelled out for you that's why I repeated it. I can't do more than that.

Depends on the individuals that's why prisons have a risk management policy when it comes to housing prisoners as they are liable for any increased risks of violence.

Is it your view that a trans woman is the more vulnerable person than a woman when in a prison cell together?

I really don't understand what you get from writing things like this one. I mean, you know that's not true, so why are you saying it? What's the goal? Who do you think will believe it? Is it just an automatic go-to when you have nothing left to argue? In which case you might want to ponder the fact that it looks terribly like an own goal, and certainly not any kind of smart response.

Same goes for 'what about the children' & women's sports.

You think that Martina Navratilova has only recently concerned herself with fairness in sport?

@Baileyonice

Repeating a discredited argument doesn't make it magically true.

I'm in favour of trans people being housed separately in prisons given their propensity for being abused. I also don't believe in giving anti trans activists any free goals by allowing them to exploit an issue they care nothing about (prison conditions) as a political football.

"Discredited" = beyond your understanding

On balance? Not for the overwhelming majority.

@Baileyonice

Repeating a discredited argument doesn't make it magically true.

So, you know, pretty useless, so let's agree to use our own brains, shall we?

Well duh. The human trick is discerning the wheat from the chaff in terms of justification.

3. The "Subjective/Internal Sense" Perspective
Definition: "An adult with an internal sense of being female."
Logical Status: This is non-circular because it uses the word "female" (referring to the sex category or internal identity) to define "woman," separating the definition from the word itself. 1, 2]
4. The Sociological and Historical Perspective
Definition: A fluid set of social roles, behaviors, and cultural expectations.
Logical Status: This perspective avoids circularity by defining the term through measurable cultural, historical, and behavioral attributes rather than a single absolute term. Because these traits change based on time and place, sociology often views "woman" as a complex category that defies a single, universal definition. 1, 2]

So you think that people like Rhona Hotchkiss and Julie Bindel have never concerned themselves with the rights of women in prison?

Could it be that is you that wasn't paying attention?