Why do some feminists oppose misogyny but support gender ideology?

I think it's worth starting a thread like this every so often, just to check our thinking against those who disagree with us. Even after all this time, I still find it so surprising that such a dangerous ideology has such a nonsensical framework underpinning it. I guess a part of me doesn't want to believe people can be so gullible, but here we are. It is so sad to see educated women fall for it but, as has been pointed out many times, highly educated people are sometimes more susceptible to fooling themselves than the rest of us, and many women also have complex reasons for trying to ingratiate themselves with manipulative men.

Anyway, nothing on this thread has challenged any of my thinking on this issue, (though I must confess that I no longer read Bailey's posts on any thread 😁).

Racism now, eh?

Think you are confusing what happens on X with real life. Lots happens in the world that doesn’t appear on X.

This is so…

At this stage the whataboutery is just fuckwittery. It is just sometimes more efficient to post previous answers … in this case there is a fucking 40 page thread about that very point being argued. And lurkers can see the tactics unroll for themselves if they read through.

You'd think anyone who'd been prevented from getting an education because of their sex

Surely, as sex is unimportant, one would just claim a new identity.

@DrBlackbird IIRC Howse Bailey is a middle aged Australian woman! Although anyone could be anyone on the internet, of course.

You'd think anyone who'd been prevented from getting an education because of their sex (I'm assuming that means being female, happy to be corrected) would be only too aware of the disadvantage of women being denied access to their rightful opportunities and places based on their sex. Of letting men's wants and needs be assumed to be more important.

But no.

Comprehension is often absent from replies.

To @Baileyonice, I’d say that, first, @Seethlaw is correct, if you keep reproducing or describing what others say, including summaries generated by A.I. or non peer reviewed open access reports, you will never develop your critical and analytical thinking skills. Sadly, this is happening en masse in student writing. GenAI slop is what I’m increasingly seeing.

Psychological interchangeability being the justification for gender equality makes it the centrepiece of feminism.

Second, you sound very young. And, I’m guessing American. Your communication style is very similar to what I’d expect of a young, entitled and angry man who identifies as a woman being told no, hence that’s who I thought you were. Clearly you believe passionately in trans (women) right to access female single sex spaces. I’m sort of impressed with your determination to keep going in light of the many logical arguments highlighting the gaps in your understanding.

Your inability to counter these adequately, however, is leading you to make insulting and rude comments that most posters are politely ignoring but which are unpleasant. You could try to say what you want to say without /the rudeness. Just try.

Edited to add: ahh, this poster might/sounds like Howse.

Thank you for this, because I knew his nonsensical, sexist gibberish sounded familiar. Different toilet, same shit, as they say.

Idiot. The majority of women in prison are not there for violent crimes.

You really are ignorant aren’t you, despite the first-class AI-confected stream of post-modernist drivel you come out with.

Different people believe different things. And the thing about identity is that it is unique to individuals. For example, English might be a core part of one person's identity, but their twin feels that it speaks little about who they are. They are both factually English, but one feels that Englishness is core to their identity and the other does not. So someone can feel their biological or natal sex is core to their identity, and others may not and feel their gender identity is more important.

However the law deals in facts and Scottish tax rates are paid by people who live in Scotland, not by people who wear kilts.

You don’t think anatomy has anything to do with sex?
Do you think sex is a real thing?
Do you know how babies are made?

Howse that? Consent is the difference.

Here is an entire thread all about it. And I am quite sure that many of the posters on this current thread even participated.

I think that the constant whataboutery and doubling down just shows who does and doesn’t understand consent.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5398721-womens-private-spaces?page=1

So you want women to advocate for single sex workplaces, where people work mostly together in full view of each otherr but let the spaces where women go to use the toilet or get changed, and want to be away from males, to be mixed sex?

So where there is a chance of witnesses or assistance, keep men out but where they are isolated, let men in?

What hypocrisy?

Most spaces are mixed sex. I'm not sure where you are posting from, but in the UK a service can only be single sex if it meets specific requirements. This is in line with the general prohibition against sex discrimination.

Again, if you want to argue that more spaces should be mixed sex and present your evidence, that is fine.

You could argue that every space should be mixed sex tomorrow, and women would still need sex based rights and sex would still need to be recognised in law and policy.

Women know your place!

You don't deserve fair sport until we have found a cure for world poverty!

Your posts reveal that you know exactly who is male and female.

Thanks.

It was this bore

Edited to add: in yet another contradictory post

Women are not going to say yes to heightened risk or unfairness in sports. But it sounds like you’ve accepted TWANW which is good.

Why is it important than women say yes? Why do you need them

The individual has claimed somewhere on this thread that s/he was left uneducated because of being female, I think, but I cba to wade through all the verbiage to find out whether it was this bore or the other bore that made the claim.

No, I mean single sex workplaces & schools if we are going to be consistent about sexual violence.

Well, I appreciate you owning the hypocrisy. That's a rare admission in these parts.

You mean the single sex lavatories (as opposed to mixed sex as trans advocates demand) that GC women have been advocating and campaigning for over the past several years?

I’d ask if you’re male or female but I’ll just assume from the increasing aggression in replies.

That old chestnut.

No it's fine thanks. The vast majority of spaces are not single sex and I'm happy with that.

I'm also happy for people to argue for changing rooms and toilets and even prisons to be mixed sex. We can all consider the evidence and make our arguments on that basis.

Just as long as nobody incoherently suggests that a space that includes everyone can be single sex.

Single sex spaces at work & school. Stop playing dumb.