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Minister stripped of puberty blocker brief after expressing safety concerns

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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 04/07/2026 20:54

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/711ae1d6366e6628

Preet Kaur Gill had voiced alarm prior to her appointment that ‘credible safeguarding warnings’ about drugs were being ignored

Minister stripped of puberty blocker brief after expressing safety concerns

Preet Kaur Gill had voiced alarm prior to her appointment that ‘credible safeguarding warnings’ about drugs were being ignored

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/711ae1d6366e6628

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FlossieF · Yesterday 18:49

I received a reply to the e-mail I sent to Preet Kaur Gill about the article at the start of this thread.

She says that she has been consistent in her opposition to the use of puberty blockers and the trial, that she has voiced alarm that credible safeguarding warnings about the drugs were being ignored, and that she will continue to stand by her position on this serious matter. And thanked me for raising it and for my support.

Happy I have a sensible mp even though she is apparently being ignored.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 07/07/2026 08:57

ScrollingLeaves · 06/07/2026 20:41

Very true, you are right.

Best, of course, would be to admit error and then amend it.

He could decide to pursue discovering what has happened to the existing sample of people who were put on puberty blockers rather than inflict them on a new sample. Or at least to do the damn study properly, with controls, and not to start it until it was designed as it should be.

FlossieF · 06/07/2026 22:46

Preet Kaur Gill is my MP - have written a supportive e-mail urging her to continue the fight and to speak up loudly and publicly. She can add it to her collection of e-mails from me about all this stuff.

ScrollingLeaves · 06/07/2026 20:41

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 06/07/2026 20:01

Still better to admit error than to perpetuate it.

Very true, you are right.

JellySaurus · 06/07/2026 20:29

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 06/07/2026 12:45

See also lobotomies.

Edit: Damn, didn’t mean to reply to this message - meant to reply to @CornishDaughteroftheDawn. Apologies!

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I agree, anyway.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 06/07/2026 20:01

Still better to admit error than to perpetuate it.

ScrollingLeaves · 06/07/2026 19:57

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 06/07/2026 19:38

I find that I have to like his having the guts to say he has changed his mind in the light of further evidence. Most politicians in my experience tend to double down on their mistakes, not say "I got it wrong".

Doesn't mean that he is not still getting it wrong, just that he's now getting a different "it" wrong. It's a start....

Except probably he never really thought it before anyway.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 06/07/2026 19:38

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 05/07/2026 11:46

This is maybe worth it’s own thread but

https://x.com/GBNEWS/status/2073694623449391534/video/1?s=48

gb news interview with health secretary this morning. Very eye opening g on blockers and trans in general

I find that I have to like his having the guts to say he has changed his mind in the light of further evidence. Most politicians in my experience tend to double down on their mistakes, not say "I got it wrong".

Doesn't mean that he is not still getting it wrong, just that he's now getting a different "it" wrong. It's a start....

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 06/07/2026 19:16

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 06/07/2026 12:45

See also lobotomies.

Edit: Damn, didn’t mean to reply to this message - meant to reply to @CornishDaughteroftheDawn. Apologies!

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Very true!

ScrollingLeaves · 06/07/2026 16:15

Imnobody4 · 06/07/2026 14:04

Good question from Rosie Duffield in HoC
He repeatedly says that he's 'listened to clinical experts', but has only ever named Baroness Cass. But, as I put it to him, there are dozens of experts who are against this trial. Why hasn't he met with any of them?
x.com/i/status/2073846860247093481

Actually didn’t Baroness Cass say no body knows what possible outcomes from puberty blockers there might be?

If so, there is no really ‘expert’ clinical opinion to be had.

Didn’t Baroness Cass also write that they had wanted to review 9000 cases concerning gender treatment of young people that have already happened - in other words the real life results of a 9000 strong cohort who were recipients of ‘gender care’ - but the gender clinics refused to divulge the information?

When clinicians talk to patients about what interventions may be best for them, they usually refer to the longer-term benefits and risks of different options, based on outcome data from other people who have been through a similar care pathway. This information is not currently available for interventions in children and young people with gender incongruence or gender dysphoria, so young people and their families have to make decisions without an adequate picture of the potential impacts and outcomes.

A strand of research commissioned by the Review was a quantitative data linkage study.The aim of this study was to fill some of the gaps in follow-up data for the approximately 9,000 young people who have been through GIDS. This would help to develop a stronger evidence base about the types of support and interventions received and longer-term outcomes. This required cooperation of GIDS and the NHS adult gender services.

92. In January 2024, the Review received a letter from NHS England stating that, despite efforts to encourage the participation of the NHS gender clinics, the necessary cooperation had not been forthcoming.
https://www.congress.gov/119/meeting/house/118390/documents/HMKP-119-JU00-20250610-SD006.pdf
(Cass Review)

Make them give up all that information.

Imnobody4 · 06/07/2026 14:04

Good question from Rosie Duffield in HoC
He repeatedly says that he's 'listened to clinical experts', but has only ever named Baroness Cass. But, as I put it to him, there are dozens of experts who are against this trial. Why hasn't he met with any of them?
x.com/i/status/2073846860247093481

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 06/07/2026 12:45

JellySaurus · 06/07/2026 12:05

This study is carefully designed not to show negative outcomes because it is such a short-term study, without a control group for comparison.

See also lobotomies.

Edit: Damn, didn’t mean to reply to this message - meant to reply to @CornishDaughteroftheDawn. Apologies!

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 06/07/2026 12:40

JellySaurus · 06/07/2026 12:05

This study is carefully designed not to show negative outcomes because it is such a short-term study, without a control group for comparison.

There is no stated objective, or measure of success. Because to do so would mean defining some of these things.

The only possible outcome that is positive is a clear reduction in gender dysphoria - and these drugs cannot do that. All they can do is encourage cross sex hormones - and a subsequent life filled with serious medical issues.

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CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 06/07/2026 12:10

JellySaurus · 06/07/2026 12:05

This study is carefully designed not to show negative outcomes because it is such a short-term study, without a control group for comparison.

So not really a study, more an affirmation of their desired approach.

I read about the history and institutional resistance to banning thalidomide a while ago. This appears to be following in its footsteps.

JellySaurus · 06/07/2026 12:05

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 06/07/2026 11:51

So the government are planning to sterilise 226 children to satisfy the trans activists.

Do we think the trans activists will accept it when the results of this trial show the negative outcomes and agree that no more kids should be harmed in this way?

This study is carefully designed not to show negative outcomes because it is such a short-term study, without a control group for comparison.

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 06/07/2026 11:51

So the government are planning to sterilise 226 children to satisfy the trans activists.

Do we think the trans activists will accept it when the results of this trial show the negative outcomes and agree that no more kids should be harmed in this way?

ScrollingLeaves · 06/07/2026 00:30

No mention by that health secretary that the alternative to the puberty blockers trial could be to chase up already existing evidence.

AimsAndObjectives · 05/07/2026 22:14

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 05/07/2026 11:46

This is maybe worth it’s own thread but

https://x.com/GBNEWS/status/2073694623449391534/video/1?s=48

gb news interview with health secretary this morning. Very eye opening g on blockers and trans in general

Health Secretary says women don't have a penis. He used to think that some of them did, but now he's changed his mind.
These people are beyond parody.

ScrollingLeaves · 05/07/2026 12:39

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 05/07/2026 10:27

I genuinely, genuinely do not understand how the powers that be cannot see that the TRA pushback against the data linkage study is anything other than evidence in and of itself of the shaky ground that this whole ideology is based on.

If you were a cancer patient who had been treated some years ago, who was told that there might be some questions over your treatment, you would surely want to take part in a study to determine if you were incorrectly - or indeed correctly, yay! - treated. You’d want to know - for yourself, and hopefully unless you are a sociopath, for other cancer patients who come after you who deserve to have the best treatment.

If the point of “gender affirming medical care” is to get the best possible treatment for trans people, then why would you want to shut down investigations into what actually makes the best treatment?

And surely if they were all doing so much better and were so happy and well-balanced, post treatment, then they’d want to lay that open to investigation, so they could shout about it from the rooftops.

Unless, of course, the point is that they all know, deep down, that medicalisation is a horrible, barbaric hoax that makes next to no difference to mental health in the vast majority of cases, but they’ve all convinced themselves that it’s necessary, and their own sunk costs and fragile identities forbid them from admitting they were wrong.

The fact that they actively went out of their way to disrupt the data linkage study makes it clear to me they don’t want anyone looking behind the curtain. That should have been a whole parade of red flags for the powers that be.

Yes.
And Finland has answers too I believe.
This is why they have stopped puberty blockers in all but very rare cases.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 05/07/2026 11:46

This is maybe worth it’s own thread but

https://x.com/GBNEWS/status/2073694623449391534/video/1?s=48

gb news interview with health secretary this morning. Very eye opening g on blockers and trans in general

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fromorbit · 05/07/2026 11:28

Murray confronted on Sky news over this. Footage in link.

SEEN in Journalism

21m
James Murray appears here to be using a particular understanding of ‘responsibility’ - as in, ‘overall responsibility’ rather than ‘some responsibility/a leading role’, in order to deny the @Telegraph story.

Of course final decisions are his responsibility, have been his responsibility since his appointment, and are not the responsibility of his junior ministers. Preet Kaur Gill never had that overall responsibility - naturally.

In this world, with this meaning of the word, ‘there has been no change to ministerial responsibility’.

But this is the quote from Telegraph

‘James Murray stopped Preet Kaur Gill, the minister for health innovation and safety, from taking a leading role on the controversial Pathways trial’.

Which is not the same at all. Well done Telegraph for keeping him on his toes and thank you TrevorPTweets for challenging him on this. Mr Murray did not deny that he has a ‘different view’ on the trial from Preet Kaur Gill, who believes ‘safeguarding warnings are not being heard’

https://nitter.net/JournalismSEEN/status/2073712395919253573#m

There is NO way to escape responsibility for experiments on kids.

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 05/07/2026 10:27

ScrollingLeaves · 05/07/2026 09:54

Thank you for the archive link.

There can be no possible excuse for this trial going ahead without first investigating existing outcomes as these may provide all the answers without endangering more children:

The health minister also appears to have questioned why more efforts are not being made to complete the so-called “data linkage study”, another key Cass recommendation.

The study aims to link the records of former Tavistock patients with their adult NHS records to establish the long-term outcomes of treating children with puberty blockers and hormones.

But it was delayed after some adult gender clinics refused to share data. On Feb 24, Ms Kaur Gill asked whether the health department “will mandate data sharing across NHS trusts and adult gender services to enable a robust, independent longitudinal study consistent with the recommendations of the Cass review”.

I genuinely, genuinely do not understand how the powers that be cannot see that the TRA pushback against the data linkage study is anything other than evidence in and of itself of the shaky ground that this whole ideology is based on.

If you were a cancer patient who had been treated some years ago, who was told that there might be some questions over your treatment, you would surely want to take part in a study to determine if you were incorrectly - or indeed correctly, yay! - treated. You’d want to know - for yourself, and hopefully unless you are a sociopath, for other cancer patients who come after you who deserve to have the best treatment.

If the point of “gender affirming medical care” is to get the best possible treatment for trans people, then why would you want to shut down investigations into what actually makes the best treatment?

And surely if they were all doing so much better and were so happy and well-balanced, post treatment, then they’d want to lay that open to investigation, so they could shout about it from the rooftops.

Unless, of course, the point is that they all know, deep down, that medicalisation is a horrible, barbaric hoax that makes next to no difference to mental health in the vast majority of cases, but they’ve all convinced themselves that it’s necessary, and their own sunk costs and fragile identities forbid them from admitting they were wrong.

The fact that they actively went out of their way to disrupt the data linkage study makes it clear to me they don’t want anyone looking behind the curtain. That should have been a whole parade of red flags for the powers that be.

user293948849167 · 05/07/2026 10:22

JellySaurus · 04/07/2026 21:34

If this trial had stayed the responsibility of Preet Gill, she would have rightly cancelled it, at least until the child victims of the appalling Tavistock scandal had been tracked down to find out how badly damaged they are.

It beggars belief that this has not yet been done. It is shocking that adult services have not been required to co-operate and allow access to this essential data.

Yep - no words. How could any sensible person not do this before experimenting on healthy children?

BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · 05/07/2026 10:15

from The Telegraph article:
After his [Prof Jacob George] intervention, King’s College London, which is running the trial, introduced clearer rules for stopping the drugs if children show reduced bone density and better monitoring of vaginal bleeding. [my bold]

I know others have said this, but it bears repeating: they KNOW that these are the possible side effects for some of the children, but they're going to do it anyway.

ScrollingLeaves · 05/07/2026 09:54

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 05/07/2026 08:32

Archive link to the Telegraph article:

https://archive.ph/K2ut2

Thank you for the archive link.

There can be no possible excuse for this trial going ahead without first investigating existing outcomes as these may provide all the answers without endangering more children:

The health minister also appears to have questioned why more efforts are not being made to complete the so-called “data linkage study”, another key Cass recommendation.

The study aims to link the records of former Tavistock patients with their adult NHS records to establish the long-term outcomes of treating children with puberty blockers and hormones.

But it was delayed after some adult gender clinics refused to share data. On Feb 24, Ms Kaur Gill asked whether the health department “will mandate data sharing across NHS trusts and adult gender services to enable a robust, independent longitudinal study consistent with the recommendations of the Cass review”.