What is a “good experience” in a women’s toilet?

Seriously?

Have you seen what gets said to and about women all the time when they say "No" to the men who want to LARP our lives and our reality?

One troll post does not undo all that. But thank you so much for showing us very very clearly just how weighted your scales are when it comes to what it reasonable and fair.

I was dragged into the boys toilets in junior school, it was a sort of playground sport, every now and again it would happen, it was known they'd never get away with it too often.
The loos had a door to the playground and up the other end a door out to a corridor, most girls made a desperate dash for the playground, straight back into the crowd that had got together to drag them in, which was both boys and girls.
I have no idea how targets were decided but one day it was me, useless to resist about 8 boys, but not being an idiot I put my mental blinkers on, ran through and out the door into the corridor. Of course it was playtime and I wasn't meant to be there, I encountered a teacher, who wisely said, "Were you just dragged into the boys toilets?"

There was an awful lot of amazed "She ran right through" afterwards. Of course I bloody did, what kind of fool do you take me for? I was the first and only girl who had the nous to do it, but as far as I recall it never happened again, mass bollocking ensued because the crowd were all still outside the playground door expecting me to pop out like a cork from a bottle.

Pretty unfair on the boys in the loo but I really saw nothing as I ran except the door, brains can be amazing things.

Zoo will be back when they want to derail or insult people or pretend that a handful of posts is representative of whatever wider group they imagine. I don't think much of what they say is actually true or accurate.

“Helping fix a woman bra, giving a woman a pad, receiving compliments from women”

FFS!

I'm so happy for you. Really.

After all the times you have had to look the other way when a trans identifying man behaves really really really badly - I mean sometimes even like police arrest prison badly - finally a thread where you can get stuck in with righteous indignation because There Was A Troll on The Trans Subreddit. What a relief!

Have a lovely weekend!

Men cannot be women is a fact and reality.

It's not prejudice or bigotry to know this. And I will never, ever be ashamed of stating it.

And we would be a lot less suspicious if these men stopped acting like complete dicks.

I agree with all of this.

Though I was once asked if I had a tampon, at a gig in Berlin. I actually had a box I'd bought in Boots at Manchester Airport in my bag, so that was lucky! It's only happened that once, however.

These are mine too.

Best ever was a posh one in USA. Even had sofas, separate toilet , basin area and toilet restroom area. Back home, happy if it’s clean. Me and toddler can both fit in and there is a hook on t(e door for my bag

100% this, @KittiesInsane.

Definitely not the AGP fantasy of what happens in the Ladies!

I remember the first challenge I read to the thread was distinctly weak, not “you’re a troll” more like, “stop saying these things because Mumsnet is watching”

From someone who believes men when they say they are women!

Listen to yourself!

I was idly browsing and rolling my eyes and wincing at this thread after reading the Andy Burnham webchat posts when I saw the “you do realise Mumsnet is using this as propaganda” post.

It was obviously fake though. And you've continued to treat it as though it was real even now it has been pointed out to you it was fake.

This isn't trans people's fault. This is you. Your opinions. Your beliefs. Formed based on prejudice not on fact. You are doing this and it is no one else's fault.

No queue.

i did once go to a Loo of the year at a pub when we took my husbands grandma out. It was decorated with jokes and silly things (like the singing fish from the nineties) and apparently it was so clean you could eat you dinner off the floor. The owner had as a press stunt.

Is it a challenge you’re laying @Zoonosis to find similar posts which are uncontroversial and not “obvious trolls” on Reddit or other TRA echo chambers? Because I bet folding money that women here can find them if you want.

So now you're taking the line that it's trans people's fault if trolls post to their community and if people who are already primed to think the worst of them fall for it? Could you victim-blame any harder than that?

They sure did. I did scan the post before it was removed and some of them talked about women helping them untwist their dress straps and having lots of "affirming" girly chats in the loos.

This happened to me in (what is now called) year six at primary school - no camera because smart phones hadn't been invented, but a boy from my class peering over the top of the cubicle! He'd climbed up on a wall outside to look in and his face suddenly appeared grinning like a creep in training (no special needs, I'm aware of him because he still lives where I grew up and friends still see him about - he has a public facing professional career now...) - old style playground toilet block at break time.

I screamed, he leered for a second then disappeared, I told my best friends and we went and yelled at him and he said he was only mucking about or something similarly predictable, but we never thought to tell a teacher nor did it cross my mind to tell my parents because it was embarrassing (early 1980s).

Is anyone else reminded of Yaniv?

I’d run a mile if another woman offered any of those things!