What is a “good experience” in a women’s toilet?

Why do you keep changing what you’re saying and assuming replies to another poster are aimed at you? Multiple times? In a way that is completely taking over the thread? It’s very weird.

Most women on this thread are describing their toilet experiences as quite spare: they want to get in and out as quickly as possible and speak to no-one in the process - the opposite of the trans person in the OP, basically. You’re suggesting that women have unique needs (true) but feel the phrase “sacred palaces of femininity” is misogynistic. Would that be correct?

I remember you writing all manner of activities women do in toilets (adjusting clothing, cleaning up vomit, washing off blood, pumping breastmilk, the list is endless really) in defence of single-sex spaces. That does sound to me rather like the defence of a sacred place of femininity.

Not encountering a blocked toilet, an overflowing bin or a drunk homeless woman demanding I give her the £5 in my purse instead of coins, I suppose.

Most public toilets are horrible places, often isolated and with terrible facilities. Often with one locked cubicle occupied by someone finding a vein, when I was a teenager.

The idea they're in any way safe, let alone places where memories are made, is profoundly ridiculous. The memory I most associate with public toilets is leaving with a load of cheap tissue stuffed in my knickers, because I don't go by choice. Oh and getting beaten up there in school by snobby girls who'd call you a boy, because girls are vicious.

The idea trans women (who have used them forever) going for a quick piss could affect that experience is deeply silly. As a gnc cis woman, it's never been them I feared. It's other cis women and violent cis men (who can hide there easily and wait for you to be alone).

Female toilets are places you get dragged into to be hurt, not safe spaces at all - some of us learned that young. Gay girls were too scared to use toilets when I was at school, for precisely this reason.

Transphobic myths about tw getting off on going there are largely based on weird porn. Hypersexualising minorities, and sexualising everything they do, is such a tired old trope.

Anyway, yeah, horrific places. They need urgent improving and to be made actually safe, not treated like they were sacred palaces of femininity before the current trans panic.

All the trans panic has done is made me more scared to go in one, which is so helpful during menopause. All the men fixated on trans people using them can seriously get lost and address their own behaviour.

To repeat, no, I am not. Would you like to report this post and ask MNHQ? You’re very welcome to. Although I find your badgering on this somewhat aggressive.

Why do you keep changing what you’re saying and assuming replies to another poster are aimed at you? Multiple times? In a way that is completely taking over the thread? It’s very weird.

To repeat, are you TransParentlyAnnoyed and did you post at 02:31am today on this thread?

No, it was not. To repeat, I am a woman. Why would I wish to “shame” other women? Listen to yourself.

No, it was not. To repeat, I am a woman. Why would I wish to “shame” other women? Listen to yourself.

No, it was not. To repeat, I am a woman. Why would I wish to “shame” other women? Listen to yourself.

What is ‘feminine’ about unique female toilet needs?

Not to speak for the poster, but I read it as meaning:

Female biology creates issues some of which are unique to women and girls and different from issues male biology creates for men and boys. Single sex toilets address this.

Femininity is not really relevant to toilet provision because it is a subjective social construct.

Of course the use of ‘sacred’ by the poster making the original statement was to position anyone who believes that female people require single sex provisions to remain female single sex is ideological to discredit any argument made that female people need their own provision due to unique needs. It was used to shame any female who admits to needing a provision that excludes group of male people that the poster insists are not causing any harm based on nothing by emotional reasoning.

Not encountering a blocked toilet, an overflowing bin or a drunk homeless woman demanding I give her the £5 in my purse instead of coins, I suppose.

Most public toilets are horrible places, often isolated and with terrible facilities. Often with one locked cubicle occupied by someone finding a vein, when I was a teenager.

The idea they're in any way safe, let alone places where memories are made, is profoundly ridiculous. The memory I most associate with public toilets is leaving with a load of cheap tissue stuffed in my knickers, because I don't go by choice. Oh and getting beaten up there in school by snobby girls who'd call you a boy, because girls are vicious.

The idea trans women (who have used them forever) going for a quick piss could affect that experience is deeply silly. As a gnc cis woman, it's never been them I feared. It's other cis women and violent cis men (who can hide there easily and wait for you to be alone).

Female toilets are places you get dragged into to be hurt, not safe spaces at all - some of us learned that young. Gay girls were too scared to use toilets when I was at school, for precisely this reason.

Transphobic myths about tw getting off on going there are largely based on weird porn. Hypersexualising minorities, and sexualising everything they do, is such a tired old trope.

Anyway, yeah, horrific places. They need urgent improving and to be made actually safe, not treated like they were sacred palaces of femininity before the current trans panic.

All the trans panic has done is made me more scared to go in one, which is so helpful during menopause. All the men fixated on trans people using them can seriously get lost and address their own behaviour.

Do you have a problem with women using female toilets for these activities? Are you suggesting a list of things that women must not do in toilets or have I misunderstood your rather odd post?

Could you define what you mean by 'sacred'?

Usually it refers to something religious.

Most women on this thread are describing their toilet experiences as quite spare: they want to get in and out as quickly as possible and speak to no-one in the process - the opposite of the trans person in the OP, basically. You’re suggesting that women have unique needs (true) but feel the phrase “sacred palaces of femininity” is misogynistic. Would that be correct?

I remember you writing all manner of activities women do in toilets (adjusting clothing, cleaning up vomit, washing off blood, pumping breastmilk, the list is endless really) in defence of single-sex spaces. That does sound to me rather like the defence of a sacred place of femininity.

Not to speak for the poster, but I read it as meaning:

Female biology creates issues some of which are unique to women and girls and different from issues male biology creates for men and boys. Single sex toilets address this.

Femininity is not really relevant to toilet provision because it is a subjective social construct.

"Practical" and "pragmatic" are the words I'd choose.

I don't have a religious belief women must have single sex spaces or anything, I just thing they are the most practical and pragmatic solution to various needs and challenges women face out and about in public society.

I can think of other solutions but generally they aren't as simple or effective, and so when the only reason for them is to benefit people who aren't female by making those who are worse off, as a Feminist I am generally down on that.

Apologies, but I’ve read this a number of times and can’t make sense of it. Would you mind rephrasing it?

Apologies, but I’ve read this a number of times and can’t make sense of it. Would you mind rephrasing it?

So you are not the poster the comment was referring to or quoted.

Not ‘feminine’, no. ‘Female’, yes. I did not suggest it was weird for women to be able to do such things in their own space. That’s something I support.

Personally? I do think spaces like this should regarded as sacred, or if that’s a term that doesn’t appeal to you, then perhaps ‘sacrosanct’ works better.