Killers and rapists to be freed early starting in September

I don't see this as a labour problem, incidentally. Pick almost any extended time frame you choose, and the Tories have been in power for the majority of that.

We need to start putting down serious sexual offenders. It's hard to see what the alternative is.

How dare these fuckers promise her therapy and support and then not give it 😡

we need to start writing to our MPs.

The U.K. has swung far too far on the pendulum of looking after perpetrators at the expense of victims and potential victims. Why? So open minded that brains have fallen out.

Fucking awful.

A victim of the infamous Rochdale grooming gang led by Shabir Ahmed is being given additional security measures at her home by police to ensure her safety.

“I’ve known Ruby for 15 years and supported her through everything,” said Maggie Oliver, a former detective constable with GMP, who resigned in 2012 after blowing the whistle on police and local authority failures to protect the girls.
“And in 15 years I’ve never seen her so frightened, feeling so angry and powerless and triggered and actually outraged. She was promised so many things. She was promised therapy, a team to support her, and that her abusers would be deported. None of it has happened.”

https://www.thetimes.com/article/05ddcac8-1fdb-4a9b-86b2-e7df03cda415?shareToken=a93a5a93d431d1348816093daf29c68e

Good point, I think many of the perpetrators of these knife crimes are walking the streets. Along with most of the sexual predators. Our prisons are full yet many of the most dangerous are never brought to justice

I think we are on the same page. Around half of men in prison have not been convicted of violent or sexual offences. I’m not saying that they are innocent but prison won’t help them or society. They are the result of the chronic underfunding you cite. Until we have social services, policing, education, mental health and other services that offer decent provision these men will simply reoffend.

Good question about who are the people in prison that should not be there

The Metropolitan Police record an average of approximately 40 to 46 knife-enabled crimes per day in London. This equates to around 14,000 to 16,700 incidents annually, with the vast majority involving a knife being used as a threat or resulting in minor injury.

Just in London alone. Just knife crime. Thats 16000 per year. Most people would agree that knife crime should be dealt with by custodial sentences. Every stabbing has the potential for a life to be ended. Hospitals are having to use resources to prioritise these stabbings to save lives. That leaves medically unwell waiting longer in corridors.

Repeat that in Birmingham, Manchester and already you see how many prison places are needed.

This is before you consider child sex abuse, rapes, aggravated burglary, DV, Dangerous driving.

These are being released early because the prisons are full of people who should not be there.

Who are these people that should not be there filling the whole prison up? I certainly imagine some men shouldn’t be there, but a majority or half? That doesn’t sound realistic to me.

The prisons being full is a result of decades of underfunding in every other area including the Tories reducing police numbers by the tens of thousands, the cutting of family support like Sure Start, offshoring of decently paid manual labour, the vast reduction in Legal Aid, porous borders and jumps in organised crime increasing the flow of drugs and different types of drugs and it goes on.

Unless and until there’s resources ploughed back into those services and areas, then releasing prisoners into the streets will only lead to a surge in crimes that can’t be dealt with currently.

And we’ve seen this approach taken with mental health services. It went from large locked facilities to ‘care in the community’ on the back of good intentions. All that happened was an increase in adverse incidents as seriously unwell people (a lot of them men) were freed without sufficient supervision or support.

That's correct procedure before someone is released though. It's considered better to tell the victims first before they hear it on the news etc. it also gives them the opportunity to complain about the release, raise it with their MP or the media. Where the police did fuck up recently was in NOT writing to alleged victims of repeat offenders whose own cases had never made trial (as in they only wrote to the victims it was proven he had done it).
Obviously noone wants a letter telling them their rapist is being released. It's much better if the rapist isn't released at all. But if they are released, it's better to be informed of that ahead of time than via the media,.social media or (worst case) themselves or someone they know bumping into the man in the high street.

Need more prisons, I read about the murder of Michaela Hall, her partner had had 47 previous convictions and 78 offences. What the fuck was he doing outside of prison. Prison isn’t just about rehabilitation, it is also about keeping the public safe. This was clearly a hardcore recidivist yet he wasn’t where he should have been.

There is also that statistic that something like 1% of the population is responsible for 30% of crime. Fucking lock them up. So sick of this handwringing shit that focuses on perpetrators instead of the victims. It’s ok to demand justice instead of worrying over whether someone had a bad childhood. Plenty of people come from shit circumstances and never rape and murder anyone.

Really think about the psychology of someone who rapes, what are they actually like, how do they see others? It’s not a bad habit, it’s a psychological orientation towards others that is profoundly immoral and narcissistic.

Sending the victims letters seems so utterly sadistic.

Are they a warning? In which case, anticipating harm?

I don't think that will have any effect. This is an obvious consequence.

I suspect the only thing that will stop early release will be another death.

No, I agree that murders and rapist need to be in prison (though with much better provision for rehabilitation than currently). My point is those who have not committed violent or sexual crimes might be best served elsewhere (but not with tea and sympathy)

This made my stomach drop so hard. My state was one of the states in the US to do this, and it led to very obvious tragedy.

Do we know what crimes are going to be exempt from this new early release rollout? I assume Murder (but nothing would surprise me) but what else? I'm so pissed off because nothing reassures me about the government's claim that there will be strict supervision, probation control, monitoring in the community. And are they going to gove the victims notice if any.

I do hold the Conservative partly responsible for the complete lack of action in planning for the need to increase prison places whilst they were in power. They left government with a prison service not fit for purpose. Our population was increasing year on year. Just as with the NHS our prison service did not keep up.

Lammy must really hate women. He seems to be on the side of the rapists.

This is ridiculous when they're locking people up for social media posts at the same time.

They don't mean what they say about VAWG - deeds not words. If they go ahead with this they're actively enabling VAWG. You can't judge if a man who rapes or murders women is still a risk if he's in an entirely male prison, this is obviously going to be a disaster and the perpetrators of the grooming gang scandal should be in prison for life if they're not deported.

Like the Taliban, the government just doesn't see women as that important, clearly.