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Darlington Nurses not over

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Treaclewell · 01/07/2026 14:14

This came up on my MSN feed, and then vanished. It's from the Express where I managed to retrieve it.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/politics/government/vindictive-nhs-could-still-punish-victorious-trans-row-nurses-for-speaking-the-truth/ar-AA26Yj4K

It seem the lovely Rose has lodged a grievance against the nurses, despite their winning, and the Express is surprises.

MSN

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/politics/government/vindictive-nhs-could-still-punish-victorious-trans-row-nurses-for-speaking-the-truth/ar-AA26Yj4K

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NebulousSupportPostcard · 21/09/2026 12:24

SulkingInTheCatio · 20/09/2026 14:26

Sadly historically nmc cases take between 2-4 years to get heard due to a massive backlog. The nmc is not fit for purpose. I do believe the backlog is reducing and things are speeding up but no idea what current wait times are.

This one hadn't yet been assessed to determine if there was a case to answer, though!

Wishesandhorses · 20/09/2026 15:32

GailBlancheViola · 20/09/2026 15:01

The war on women by the NHS is well and truly embedded, sadly it is not just the NHS that is waging war on women it is pretty much all public funded institutes and the Government will do absolutely nothing about it.

Yes.

Institutionally misogynist. As are the police.

It's embedded from the ground up, and it goes so far back in terms of misogyny of policing of women and of health care of women that it's been there since the first murmur of 'national health care'.

The police haven't yet really successfully done that much towards their insistutional racism since that was admitted as a bloody great problem. But we would need a government actually passionate about women and girls' equality and access, prepared to do the work about recruitment and policy, and to start with, make foot dragging, whingeing managers obey the bloody law or else.

At the moment, Kemi Badenough is the only one looking remotely in the right direction.

GailBlancheViola · 20/09/2026 15:01

IrnBruAndDietCoke · 20/09/2026 14:20

More evidence the NHS hates women. I think it’s institutional at this point.

The war on women by the NHS is well and truly embedded, sadly it is not just the NHS that is waging war on women it is pretty much all public funded institutes and the Government will do absolutely nothing about it.

AimsAndObjectives · 20/09/2026 14:58

dazedbutstillhere · 20/09/2026 14:38

Yvette Cooper will not have the slightest interest in supporting the nurses.

Of course she won't. I posted the tweet because it showcases the impressive and highly relevant qualifications and experience of the former governor.

dazedbutstillhere · 20/09/2026 14:38

AimsAndObjectives · 01/09/2026 21:07

From TwiX -

Steve Walker: #NAFO #KPSS #FBPE #Smokefleet
@tweetdodger

Wow, @CDDFTNHS brushed aside the advice of an expert barrister who specialises in arbitration, mediation and governance. They were so determined to punish the Darlington nurses, so willing to waste any sum of public funds.
@YvetteCooperMP needs to intervene here.

https://x.com/tweetdodger/status/2094807245506699321

Yvette Cooper will not have the slightest interest in supporting the nurses.

SulkingInTheCatio · 20/09/2026 14:34

https://rcni.com/nursing-standard/newsroom/news/40-nursing-staff-waiting-over-8-years-for-nmc-hearing-224156?fbclid=IwY2xjawUcv9hwZG9mBWV4dG4DYWVtAjExAGJyaWQRMTl0c2dUU0RPQU5KWnpaY1BzcnRjBmFwcF9pZBAyMjIwMzkxNzg4MjAwODkyAAEef7LbWbe9Rhl6LFXi3I19Tyk4uy9L03fhgZc43bz8IvxDD1XhrNBS4TxbdKw_aem_fO1XnvBoqCZ_NHU0HP9sbQ

some nurses have waited over 8 years for a hearing. It’s insane. Googling just now and it appears in 2012 the nmc were given two years to clear the backlog. But in the last 14 years that hasn’t happened/it’s got worse!

SulkingInTheCatio · 20/09/2026 14:26

NebulousSupportPostcard · 01/07/2026 22:01

Oh! I just read a couple of reports that said the 4 nurses reported to NMC were the four in the TV appearance. In that case the incident, and the tribunal commentary on it, are in the public domain and there can be no good reason for further delay? WTF?!

Sadly historically nmc cases take between 2-4 years to get heard due to a massive backlog. The nmc is not fit for purpose. I do believe the backlog is reducing and things are speeding up but no idea what current wait times are.

IrnBruAndDietCoke · 20/09/2026 14:20

1984Now · 31/08/2026 17:25

I can't believe I'm writing this, but the fact the Trust even now when they've lost and received criticism from the judge, are still not mending bridges but being as antagonistic as possible, means the NHS is the enemy.
Yes, the NHS, our preeminent national institution, is the enemy, not just of women, but their own female staff, is the enemy.
That's now the reality, the NHS will.look past the rights and comfort of women.

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More evidence the NHS hates women. I think it’s institutional at this point.

Igmum · 20/09/2026 13:41

Yes, it’s the same Trust. I did think when I saw that that it was simply more evidence of appallingly bad management. And always when it comes to women.

lcakethereforeIam · 18/09/2026 14:43

This is the same Trust isn't it?

https://archive.ph/e7mTi

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/09/18/cancer-patients-breasts-removed-unnecessarily-nhs-admits/

Sorry, it's off thread but I haven't time to start a new one.

NebulousSupportPostcard · 02/09/2026 23:02

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 01/09/2026 22:10

yowser

I simply cannot understand what happened here?

did they think they would win? or did they not care and was it about being 'right'?

There had been a separate ET a couple of years previously - on a different matter, but involving the same operating department with many of the same clinical and administrative managers. It was presided over by the same judge!

www.gov.uk/employment-tribunal-decisions/c-bailey-and-m-campbell-v-county-durham-and-darlington-nhs-foundation-trust-2500549-slash-2021-and-others

In the previous case, the NHS trust succeeded in defending most of the substantive claims, although the judgement did comment on HR and other management problems, and two of the claims succeeded relating to failures to follow HR procedure in a reasonable time.

I suspect that when the changing room case began, management were feeling buoyed up by their recent ET win, and probably expected to get a similar result against the Darlington Nurses.

Shedmistress · 02/09/2026 11:35

'Where are all the feminists, why didn't they mention anything at the time?' they ask, baffled that there is anything wrong with a man and his ripped yfronts asking women when they are going to be getting undressed...'It is all such a mystery as to why the women are upset'.

Kirschcherries · 02/09/2026 11:32

@AimsAndObjectives Thank you for the link.

All I can say is if the Board didn’t listen to a colleague who is a Barrister how does anyone expect them to listen to the nurses.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 01/09/2026 22:10

yowser

I simply cannot understand what happened here?

did they think they would win? or did they not care and was it about being 'right'?

AimsAndObjectives · 01/09/2026 21:07

From TwiX -

Steve Walker: #NAFO #KPSS #FBPE #Smokefleet
@tweetdodger

Wow, @CDDFTNHS brushed aside the advice of an expert barrister who specialises in arbitration, mediation and governance. They were so determined to punish the Darlington nurses, so willing to waste any sum of public funds.
@YvetteCooperMP needs to intervene here.

https://x.com/tweetdodger/status/2094807245506699321

Darlington Nurses not over
GailBlancheViola · 01/09/2026 17:24

I couldn't agree with you more Wishesandhorses.

The individuals in power who agreed to/signed off on this should not only be hit in their pockets for their criminal waste of public funds but should be sacked and never allowed to work in the Public Sector again.

Wishesandhorses · 01/09/2026 16:10

IonianNerveGrip · 01/09/2026 15:12

I resent it, but there's an argument we won't see real change until offending Trusts are more pubblicly hit in the pocket.

Entirely.

It also needs to move on past the grand superiority of 'we can fight our batshit indefinitely if we want, because it's not our money at stake. There's no consequences to us, there's a bottomless pit of resources, and taxpayers/govt/insurers will just keep coughing up indefinitely'.

There needs to be limits and consequences. This is not what they are funded for. Likewise the current fashion for the powerful and well funded Goliaths to intentionally set out to bankrupt the Davids out of being able to afford justice. Even on bloody obvious existing laws.

CassOle · 01/09/2026 15:29

It just shows that in this ideology the wants of one man were worth more than the privacy and dignity of many women (don't forget that there were other women who were worried about their visas being withdrawn, so they didn't pursue complaints) and £1.25 million (which could have been spent on helping patients).

One bloke.

IonianNerveGrip · 01/09/2026 15:12

Wishesandhorses · 01/09/2026 14:29

He also questioned whether the Trust was prioritising a policy objective over the emotional cost to the nurses.

Let's be honest, it was not a 'policy objective', it was a determined, partisan political agenda being inflicted on employees without regard for their consent, needs, emotions or anything else. And without regard for duty of impartiality and inclusion and accessibility as those last two words are not solely about men who crossdress, whatever certain political groups would have you believe.

They were determined to enforce male access to non consenting women in a state of undress and to overturn any right of women to privacy, dignity or consent. It is that plain and that ugly.

And much of the money has been spent in attempt to punish and frighten women into just submissively getting their clothes off for such men, or creeping quietly away into hidden places to be able to do the necessary changing for their jobs. It's been about making sure as far as possible that other women are too afraid to resist.

I hope this trust is taken to the bloody cleaners, enough to scare the living crap out of every other trust. Much as I bitterly resent the waste of very badly needed money and the harm this prolonged gallop on a wicked and misogynist hobby horse will have done to the services to patients. And absolutely bloody yes to all public funded bodies, all of them, having to justify to the last decimal place the use of their funding on legal costs for vanity/political colonial and savage bullying cases like this one before being permitted to do it.

Edited

I resent it, but there's an argument we won't see real change until offending Trusts are more pubblicly hit in the pocket.

Wishesandhorses · 01/09/2026 14:29

He also questioned whether the Trust was prioritising a policy objective over the emotional cost to the nurses.

Let's be honest, it was not a 'policy objective', it was a determined, partisan political agenda being inflicted on employees without regard for their consent, needs, emotions or anything else. And without regard for duty of impartiality and inclusion and accessibility as those last two words are not solely about men who crossdress, whatever certain political groups would have you believe.

They were determined to enforce male access to non consenting women in a state of undress and to overturn any right of women to privacy, dignity or consent. It is that plain and that ugly.

And much of the money has been spent in attempt to punish and frighten women into just submissively getting their clothes off for such men, or creeping quietly away into hidden places to be able to do the necessary changing for their jobs. It's been about making sure as far as possible that other women are too afraid to resist.

I hope this trust is taken to the bloody cleaners, enough to scare the living crap out of every other trust. Much as I bitterly resent the waste of very badly needed money and the harm this prolonged gallop on a wicked and misogynist hobby horse will have done to the services to patients. And absolutely bloody yes to all public funded bodies, all of them, having to justify to the last decimal place the use of their funding on legal costs for vanity/political colonial and savage bullying cases like this one before being permitted to do it.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 01/09/2026 14:23

That's powerful and completely damning isn't it? And shows yet again the power of this ideology to undermine organisations. Also raises questions about the capture of numerous legal firms that seemingly lead them to offer incorrect advice to their clients.

GailBlancheViola · 01/09/2026 14:15

Ooof, that is damning.

CassOle · 01/09/2026 13:51

It is staggering to read it.

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