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US Supreme Court allows states to ban trans identified players from sexed sports competition & teams that do not align with that players birth sex

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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 30/06/2026 15:37

https://x.com/scotusblog/status/2071957539931967495?s=46

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/25pdf/24-43_2b35.pdf

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2026/06/30/us/supreme-court-trans-athletes?unlocked_article_code=1.uFA.j_M3.MAlRQCZzu4Eu&smid=nytcore-android-share

6/3 exactly along the political lines. How did the left leave peoples rights behind like this?

SCOTUSblog (@SCOTUSblog) on X

The first opinions are in the transgender athlete cases. In B.P.J., the court holds Title IX allows schools to provide separate women’s and men’s teams defined by biological sex, and WV has permissibly maintained female sports for biological females....

https://x.com/scotusblog/status/2071957539931967495?s=46

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sashh · 01/07/2026 15:51

Chickadeeinme · 30/06/2026 16:46

Here in Maine boys who identify as girls are allowed to take part in girls' sports at school. Not sure about college sports. It's a very trans-friendly state for the most part.

So they get to cheat at school and steal college places from females. It's disgusting.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 01/07/2026 15:30

Chickadeeinme · 01/07/2026 11:19

Again, this is inaccurate. Allowing self-identified males into women’s spaces is far more common in Europe than it is over here (at least in my neck of the woods - California and Washington state are more sold on it). Comparisons with Gilead just make people roll their eyes. Maine is two thirds the size of England and has a population of about 1.2 million. To the best of my knowledge we currently have one transwoman prisoner in the women’s prison population and the women there are mightily pissed off about it. He hasn’t been behaving well, (surprise surprise) and three women have launched a lawsuit against the state for allowing it.

I think if you're going to compare Maine to the whole of Europe you're going to have to include whole of the USA.

Even Wales has more people in it than Maine, so saying that TIM's are allowed into women's spaces less in Maine with it's 1.2 million population, than Germany with 70 million population and the whole of Europe with it's 450 million population, it's a bit lobsided don't you think.

Once you factor all of your loony tune states, like California, into your maths, I'll think you'll find it happens just as much in the USA as it is in Europe.

Of course if you count Tranada as the 51st state you're sunk, so there's that. 😂

LoudBlueSeal · 01/07/2026 14:56

CassOle · 30/06/2026 18:07

Page 36 has not gone down well with the TRAs:

"Men and boys with gender dysphoria are not women or
girls, even if they believe that they are"

Wow!!

Chickadeeinme · 01/07/2026 11:27

According to Reduxx, children in one German high school in the 13-15 year old age range were given an assignment to design an “inclusive” brothel. I can’t imagine any school over here in however progressive an area having that kind of thing, and I’m thinking of my 14 year old granddaughter in New Jersey being faced with it - just wouldn’t happen and would meet with an explosion of protest. https://reduxx.info/german-children-given-inclusive-brothel-assignment-as-part-of-sexual-education-of-diversity-class/

German Children Given "Inclusive Brothel" Assignment As Part of "Sexual Education of Diversity" Class - Reduxx

Children in a sex education class in Germany were instructed to design a brothel “for everyone” as part of their course, sparking backlash from parents and even other students at the school. The children, aged between 13 and 15, received the assignment...

https://reduxx.info/german-children-given-inclusive-brothel-assignment-as-part-of-sexual-education-of-diversity-class/

Chickadeeinme · 01/07/2026 11:19

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 01/07/2026 06:21

I glad to hear you are fighting back in Maine, I wish you luck, but maybe 'stupid inflammatory' that get's peoples backs up is the kick up the backside you need so you can pick up the pace. You don't have the luxury of time, you need to get it out of your schools just like we need to.
This claptrap comes from the USA, it's done untold damage to the whole of the West, the sooner it dies the death it deserves in the USA, the quicker it can be winkled out all over.

Again, this is inaccurate. Allowing self-identified males into women’s spaces is far more common in Europe than it is over here (at least in my neck of the woods - California and Washington state are more sold on it). Comparisons with Gilead just make people roll their eyes. Maine is two thirds the size of England and has a population of about 1.2 million. To the best of my knowledge we currently have one transwoman prisoner in the women’s prison population and the women there are mightily pissed off about it. He hasn’t been behaving well, (surprise surprise) and three women have launched a lawsuit against the state for allowing it.

heathspeedwell · 01/07/2026 09:06

That's a great article, thanks Igneococcus. This really stood out to me: “Is anyone going to apologize for forcing us to undress with him 18 times a week?”

Those poor girls having to share a changing room with 6 foot 4 Lia Thomas. The sooner this ridiculous trend is laid to rest the better.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 01/07/2026 06:21

Chickadeeinme · 30/06/2026 23:59

See, this kind of statement doesn’t help your cause ( which I actually agree with - I signed the failed petition to bring this to the ballot box in November). But this state is as far from Gilead as you can get. The governor and a lot of very left-wing progressive types are solidly behind that policy. It will take us terfy left-wingers time to get it on the ballot, at which time I am fairly confident that Mainers will reject the policy. But when you say this kind of stupid inflammatory and inaccurate stuff it just puts people’s backs up.

I glad to hear you are fighting back in Maine, I wish you luck, but maybe 'stupid inflammatory' that get's peoples backs up is the kick up the backside you need so you can pick up the pace. You don't have the luxury of time, you need to get it out of your schools just like we need to.
This claptrap comes from the USA, it's done untold damage to the whole of the West, the sooner it dies the death it deserves in the USA, the quicker it can be winkled out all over.

callmeLoretta1 · 01/07/2026 06:09

Chickadeeinme · 30/06/2026 23:59

See, this kind of statement doesn’t help your cause ( which I actually agree with - I signed the failed petition to bring this to the ballot box in November). But this state is as far from Gilead as you can get. The governor and a lot of very left-wing progressive types are solidly behind that policy. It will take us terfy left-wingers time to get it on the ballot, at which time I am fairly confident that Mainers will reject the policy. But when you say this kind of stupid inflammatory and inaccurate stuff it just puts people’s backs up.

That is not true. 'Trans friendly' almost always is a negative for the female sex. This is amply demonstrated.

TheKeatingFive · 01/07/2026 06:00

Chickadeeinme · 30/06/2026 23:59

See, this kind of statement doesn’t help your cause ( which I actually agree with - I signed the failed petition to bring this to the ballot box in November). But this state is as far from Gilead as you can get. The governor and a lot of very left-wing progressive types are solidly behind that policy. It will take us terfy left-wingers time to get it on the ballot, at which time I am fairly confident that Mainers will reject the policy. But when you say this kind of stupid inflammatory and inaccurate stuff it just puts people’s backs up.

It's absolutely true though.

This is where democrat policy has taken us.

GenderlessVoid · 01/07/2026 04:18

Chickadeeinme · 30/06/2026 16:46

Here in Maine boys who identify as girls are allowed to take part in girls' sports at school. Not sure about college sports. It's a very trans-friendly state for the most part.

Not sure about college sports.

I don't know about community colleges but the NCAA, which covers inter-university competition at over 1,100 schools, doesn't allow transwomen to compete in women's sports.

Generally, when people talk about college scholarships for sports, the mean the NCAA.

NCAA women's sports:
A student-athlete assigned male at birth may not compete for an NCAA women's team.

A student-athlete assigned male at birth may practice on an NCAA women's team and receive all other benefits applicable to student-athletes. Division I leadership is planning to adopt roster limits in place of scholarship limits and new practice squad policies are still in development. [NB: The NCAA allows women's teams to have male practise players. They practise with the women's team but do not compete in inter-university competitions. It's fairly common for some sports like women's basketball and volleyball to practise against a few men along with the women on their team.]

A student-athlete assigned female at birth who has begun hormone therapy (e.g., testosterone) may not compete on a women's team. If such competition occurs, the team will be subject to NCAA mixed-team legislation, and the team will no longer be eligible for NCAA women's championships.

A student-athlete assigned female at birth who has begun hormone therapy (e.g., testosterone) may continue practicing with a women's team and receive all other benefits applicable to student-athletes.

Individual schools have the autonomy to determine athletics participation on their campuses.
https://www.ncaa.org/news/2025/2/6/media-center-ncaa-announces-transgender-student-athlete-participation-policy-change.aspx

I assume that the last sentence applies to intramural sports and sports not covered by the NCAA. E.g., some unis have men's rugby but it's not an NCAA sport. (Women's rugby is an NCAA Emerging Sport so, if the uni elects to have a team governed by the NCAA, it can offer scholarships and must comply with NCAA rules. Some men's rugby teams compete under the NAIA, see below.) Club sports are not governed by the NCAA or the NAIA.

The National Association of Intercollegiate Athletics, the governing body for mostly small colleges, announced a policy ... that essentially bans transgender athletes from women's sports.

The NAIA's Council of Presidents approved the policy in a 20-0 vote Monday, according to CBS Sports. The NAIA, which oversees some 83,000 athletes at schools across the country, is believed to be the first college sports organization to take such a step.

According to the transgender participation policy, all athletes may participate in NAIA-sponsored male sports but only athletes whose biological sex is female and have not begun hormone therapy will be allowed participate in women's sports.

A student who has begun hormone therapy may participate in activities such as workouts, practices and team activities, but not in interscholastic competition.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/new-naia-policy-prevents-transgender-women-from-competing-in-womens-college-sports

Governance Update

NCAA announces transgender student-athlete participation policy change - NCAA.org

Men's category open to all eligible student-athletes, women's category restricted to student-athletes assigned female at birth, schools directed to foster welcoming environments on all campuses.

https://www.ncaa.org/news/2025/2/6/media-center-ncaa-announces-transgender-student-athlete-participation-policy-change.aspx

Chickadeeinme · 01/07/2026 00:36

lcakethereforeIam · 30/06/2026 22:07

You could be right. The NYT article actually said it was the State's Democratic Secretary of State but didn't give a name. I misremembered it as the Governor. I'm assuming they're not the same person.

They are not the same person. The governor is Janet Mills and the Secretary of State is Shenna Bellows. Both are Democrats and both think TWAW. Shenna Bellows was a candidate in the Democratic primary for election as governor in November ( Janet Mills is term limited) but was defeated by Hannah Pingree, daughter of the current State Representative to Congress Chellie Pingree. Sadly I think Hannah is another TWAW True Believer.

Chickadeeinme · 30/06/2026 23:59

Screamingabdabz · 30/06/2026 22:52

“Trans friendly” = shit deal for girls and women.

Gilead in the making.

See, this kind of statement doesn’t help your cause ( which I actually agree with - I signed the failed petition to bring this to the ballot box in November). But this state is as far from Gilead as you can get. The governor and a lot of very left-wing progressive types are solidly behind that policy. It will take us terfy left-wingers time to get it on the ballot, at which time I am fairly confident that Mainers will reject the policy. But when you say this kind of stupid inflammatory and inaccurate stuff it just puts people’s backs up.

ErrolTheDragon · 30/06/2026 23:00

Cailleach1 · 30/06/2026 22:54

Is it Emma Hilton?

Yes, she’s the one - Helen Joyce isn’t a scientist.

MyAmpleSheep · 30/06/2026 22:58

Cailleach1 · 30/06/2026 22:54

Is it Emma Hilton?

Yes it is.

Minasama · 30/06/2026 22:55

Excellent. Sensible decisions in sport at last. Ridiculous that it had to go to the Supreme Court for the blindingly obvious to be enforced.

Cailleach1 · 30/06/2026 22:54

lcakethereforeIam · 30/06/2026 22:01

It's not entirely clear cut, I got this from the NY Times (I couldn't archive it)

Justice Sonia Sotomayor, writing for the three Democratic appointees, issued a partial dissent. She agrees with the majority that state bans on transgender athletes do not violate Title IX, which prohibits sex-based discrimination in schools. But she says that Becky Pepper-Jackson should have been allowed to pursue her constitutional challenge to the ban under equal protection principles, in light of her particular circumstances.

Partly constitutional, partly be kind and partly because of PBs and lack of normal male puberty?

They're now relishing the problems that are likely to arise identifying all the male cheats. Which I admit will be difficult especially in kids that are prepubescent.

Is it Helen Joyce who's trying to develop a cheek swab that's quick, simple and cheap enough for anyone to use?

Is it Emma Hilton?

Screamingabdabz · 30/06/2026 22:52

Chickadeeinme · 30/06/2026 16:46

Here in Maine boys who identify as girls are allowed to take part in girls' sports at school. Not sure about college sports. It's a very trans-friendly state for the most part.

“Trans friendly” = shit deal for girls and women.

Gilead in the making.

EdithStourton · 30/06/2026 22:50

NotBadConsidering · 30/06/2026 22:33

but I suspect it’s rooted in homophobic/religious ick.

Really?! It’s clear from the judgment it’s rooted in the understanding that men/boys aren’t women/girls and there’s a sex based difference in sport. You know, normal thoughts.

Rather than wonder why the 6 conservative judges voted for common sense, it’s more interesting to ask why the 3 liberal judges think women and girls don’t matter.

I suspect the liberal judges don't want to rock the good ship 'Progressive'.

NotBadConsidering · 30/06/2026 22:33

DramaAndBullshit · 30/06/2026 20:52

There are very few things this US govt is doing right, but this is the exception. Sadly I fear it’s not being done to preserve women’s rights or protect them, but I suspect it’s rooted in homophobic/religious ick. But, even a broken clock is right twice a day…..

but I suspect it’s rooted in homophobic/religious ick.

Really?! It’s clear from the judgment it’s rooted in the understanding that men/boys aren’t women/girls and there’s a sex based difference in sport. You know, normal thoughts.

Rather than wonder why the 6 conservative judges voted for common sense, it’s more interesting to ask why the 3 liberal judges think women and girls don’t matter.

lcakethereforeIam · 30/06/2026 22:07

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 30/06/2026 22:01

I thought the governor of Maine was a women, didn't she have a run in with Trump over this, not long after he signed that EO, and he cancelled the states federal funding because of it.

You could be right. The NYT article actually said it was the State's Democratic Secretary of State but didn't give a name. I misremembered it as the Governor. I'm assuming they're not the same person.

SirChenjins · 30/06/2026 22:02

SideboobToYouToo · 30/06/2026 20:54

Terrible for girls and women then.

Exactly. Trans friendly means men and boys friendly in the vast, vast majority of cases. Women and girls? STFU and stop moaning.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 30/06/2026 22:01

lcakethereforeIam · 30/06/2026 20:58

I think a couple of Democratic states have ballots about this as an addition on a forthcoming election. I'm not clear on the details. Maine was one of them but the Governor scratched it because he claimed there were doubts over some of the names who had called for it(?).

I thought the governor of Maine was a women, didn't she have a run in with Trump over this, not long after he signed that EO, and he cancelled the states federal funding because of it.

lcakethereforeIam · 30/06/2026 22:01

It's not entirely clear cut, I got this from the NY Times (I couldn't archive it)

Justice Sonia Sotomayor, writing for the three Democratic appointees, issued a partial dissent. She agrees with the majority that state bans on transgender athletes do not violate Title IX, which prohibits sex-based discrimination in schools. But she says that Becky Pepper-Jackson should have been allowed to pursue her constitutional challenge to the ban under equal protection principles, in light of her particular circumstances.

Partly constitutional, partly be kind and partly because of PBs and lack of normal male puberty?

They're now relishing the problems that are likely to arise identifying all the male cheats. Which I admit will be difficult especially in kids that are prepubescent.

Is it Helen Joyce who's trying to develop a cheek swab that's quick, simple and cheap enough for anyone to use?

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