US Supreme Court allows states to ban trans identified players from sexed sports competition & teams that do not align with that players birth sex

Have you read the justices’ reasoning? Are you aware of Thomas’ judicial reputation?
What a patronising, ill informed comment.

People like you, who can apparently see the truth regarding the trans issue, but in an apparent demonstration of the Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect, dutifully fall into line on all other liberal issues are partly why we find ourselves in this situation.

Girls shouldn't be forced to chnge to somethin that they don't like as much as sport to accomadate a cheating male.

That the NCAA has changed its policy doesn't change the damage that it has doen to some girls applications to colleges etc.

Finally these girls have trained hard for years only to have pplaces and sponsership taken off them by males.

Nobody should dismiss this lightly by saying that they should just do something else.

Thank you, that is so powerfully stated.

There are no cis girls

I haven't helped anyone apply to college in years but I knew someone who recently worked in admissions in a selective uni in the US and several people whose children are now in uni in the US so what I say is based on that.

I know that many US high schools require charity work but it is usually fairly minimal. You need to do much more to show dedication. If that's not an interest, do research or something else you're passionate about.

Again, I'm not addressing whether transgirls should be able to participate in high school sports, only that I don't think that transgirls are stealing college spaces from cis girls.

Amazing.

I somewhat agree with this, although if you aren't being recruited, being on a team helps because it shows dedication. Any good extracurricular activity will do that. So if you get cut, find another activity to show that you're involved with your school or community. A charity is always impressive, if someone is interested in that.

Seriously - go find a charity??? If you get "cut" (don't you mean replaced by a boy) then find something else to do??? Why doesn't HE find something else to do. Why don't the boys trying out for the girls' teams "find a charity".

I'm not sure when you last went through a college application process but most kids volunteer (many high schools have it as a requirement for graduation - all three of mine at 3 different schools couldn't graduate without minimum volunteer hours), are members of clubs, part of debate or model UN or feminist alliance or school newpaper or drama club or their local church or whatever as well as playing sports.

Yeah, thekeatingfive, it does prove your point - but it also shows that what people profess and what they actually think are in some cases different and there are some politicians not afraid to call it out. And when they do, the average joe voter is with them. I have some hope - that's all.

Hmm. That is only if it is a choice by the girls, and not because their fair sports and opportunities have been lost to the because they have now been appropriated for the service of boys. Not to mention the flashing and peeping element of changing rooms. People (legislators, and sports trainers) are enabling sexual offending against girls.

It is certainly a ridiculous situation if boys get to compete against other boys, or if they don’t want that, plonk themselves like cuckoos into girls sports. However, girls who are deprived of any fair sports (unlike boys who can insert themselves into everything) have to just accept this and do something else.

It is the boys who don’t want to compete against other boys who could find something else to do rather than colonising girls sports. Cheating boys, and their enablers/accomplices, should just leave girls and their sports alone.

I never said that. I'm addressing the point that transwomen "steal college places from females", not the fairness for girls in high school.

So let the boy who doesn’t want to play on the boys team or who isn’t good enough find that alternative activity rather than muscling into the girls team.

Also, the bottom of that paragraph contains the following:

"To use language to obscure reality—to show “indifference regarding the truth”—
is to lie to the public and cease to treat our fellow citizens
“as equal[s].”"

But ultimately you're just proving my point here. Among active political circles, no dissent is tolerated. It's absolutely extraordinary.

Girls shouldn't be forced to do that to accommodate boys though.

I somewhat agree with this, although if you aren't being recruited, being on a team helps because it shows dedication. Any good extracurricular activity will do that. So if you get cut, find another activity to show that you're involved with your school or community. A charity is always impressive, if someone is interested in that.

Sports and college applications is about more than being recruited though. My son wasn't being recruited anywhere for sport but it certainly made his application stronger for his stretch school that he was able to put in 4 year varsity player on a team. So yeah a girl being able to say "I was on the JV and then the Varsity soccer team for my high school" will add something to her application and not being able to say it because a boy is on the teams instead of her will take something from her application.

I'm not sure that applies to track and field since I don't think the size of the team is limited and colleges would be looking at times, not so much how someone placed. Uni coaches know from experience what times (or distance) an athlete will need to compete in their conference so that's what they look for.

For team sports, it would apply but you're only talking about the lowest person on the rung, who is very unlikely to be recruited for sports. Only top players generally get recruited. It's hard to be recruited in most sports unless you play (high school) club/travel teams and there are usually so many teams that anyone can join. Only a small percentage of players get recruited. I think a girl would be able to join one of those teams regardless of how many transgirls play, though I agree that some (many) girls might be discouraged if they had to play teams that have a transgirl on them.

I agree that locker rooms are a problem and that transwomen/girls should not share women's/girls' locker room.

I'm a fan of an NCAA uni and follow recruiting pretty closely. I don't think it will be a problem now that the NCAA has changed its rules. I guess we will see.

I don't understand this either. What shocks me the most is that there is zero (or near zero) dissent. They are all in lockstep.

There is some dissent - even in the party. Rep Seth Moulton spoke out after the last presidential election talking about the sports issue and saying look we have to be able at least to talk about this issue without immediate shut down. Of course he got immediate shut down from the democrats and liberal organisations but a lot of support from average voters and while the Boston Globe started with editorials saying this is terrible of Moulton they read their comment sections and starting thinking a bit. Most of the comments were along the lines of "lifelong liberal and democrat here and the purity tests on this issue - which is patently unfair - are killing me" And he didn't even get into the men in women's prisons question. (He is running for senate now against an incumbent senator who is excellent in many ways but who will be 86 at the end of his term if he is reelected - that's another major issue for democrats - the age thing and their magical belief that it doesn't matter or they will live forever)

If they are on high-school teams they are taking the place of a youngwoman, then that woman cannot put on their college application that she was on a high school team. She also cannot say she has faster track times or the HS record for anything.

She might just give up on sports if she has had to share a locker rom with a male.

In fact she might not even try out for the team.

How are they going to steal college spaces from women? The NCAA doesn't allow transwomen to compete in women's sports so no school is going to recruit a transwoman to play on their teams.

I agree that boys shouldn't be competing against girls (or be allowed in single sex spaces) but since the NCAA (and, to a much lesser extent, the NAIA) changed its rules, you aren't going to have the problem of a Lia Thomas or a Blaire Fleming bc they are no longer allowed to compete on women's teams, regardless of what the state rules about transwoman are.

For top players in many sports in the USA, it's now more about NIL than scholarships anyway. A few women get up to 1 M USD a year, e.g., Livvy Dunne, Flau'jae Johnson, and NiJaree Canady. But that's only for the very top players.

The progressive left here, it seems to me, has decided that trans ”rights” are today’s equivalent of gay rights and civil rights for BIPOC. Therefore any attempt to stand up for women’s rights is labelled as “unkind”, right wing and MAGA policy. Therefore there is almost no recognition that a lot of us on the left don’t see it that way.

I don't understand this either. What shocks me the most is that there is zero (or near zero) dissent. They are all in lockstep.

Why? Is it money? Donors? That's the only motivation I can see.

6/3 exactly along the political lines. How did the left leave peoples rights behind like this?

As a liberal american living in a blue state this is the most important question for me. (although if I were a conservative american living in a red state I would be wondering how the right left the constitution behind given there were 3 justices who dissented in the birthright citizenship decision).

Not only are the left leaving people's rights behind, they are leaving their base behind too. This is such a stupid hill to die on - the right of biological males to be on women and girls sports teams. There isn't one left-leaning person I know who doesn't see the unfairness of this. American kids play sports - nearly every kid spends some time in town soccer or little league or pop warner or basketball. Whether they have boys or girls, people know the reality. The most they will say in defence is "well it is just a tiny number of trans people so ... "

Also, being given carte Blanche to expose themselves in the changing rooms, and I presume the real treat of engaging in voyeurism. All sexual offences against non consenting girls. Pressuring them to submit on pain of ostracisation, or loss of opportunity. Promoted by otherwise good people? Is that what we’re supposed to pretend.

The ruling is being welcomed as a victory for common sense and women's rights. I haven't gone looking, but I'm sure the TRA's here aren't happy about it.

From the WSJ yesterday:

Women’s Sports Win at the Supreme Court - The Justices say states can ban biological men from women’s teams.

I agree. That’s why I’m joining the effort to get the issue on the ballot.