Should a 6 year old be taught that it’s normal to be trans, in a PSHE lesson?

All of which puts them in grave danger. They live as trans despite enormous social pressure and intense, usually sexual violence I think you would struggle to fathom. It goes far beyond anything I've experienced as a deeply nonconformist woman. Yet it does not stop them being trans. Nothing does.

You are making sweeping generalisations about trans people again, like you are doing on the mental health thread. That is not helpful - trans people are not a monolith. I have that on good authority. Someone said that on this very thread at 12.15

Why would ‘living as trans’ expose a female person to ‘intense sexual violence’ and why would you advocate for more kids to go through this? Surely you’d want to help others avoid it?

Trans kids are usually isolated with few or no trans friends. It is about following their own inner voice.

Some kids may be socially isolated but I will bet money on the fact they spend a lot of time gaming and on the internet being led to the conclusion that they are trans by the generalised specifics suggestibility methods discussed on the m/h threads. Many kids who think they are trans are not isolated, they will have activist teachers or trans friends who like the TA in this thread seem to be on a mission to indoctrinate.

obsessed with hating on a minority

I do not think anyone here is doing that. They are recognising the dilemma in which some people find themselves and are advocating kindness and respect, whilst at the same time pointing out that changing sex is impossible and ooung children should not be told it is.

Of course it's a belief system. It's a religion. We are the atheists & TPA is the fundamentalist. They are so invested in the cult that they are blinkered to the terrible damage this whole movement is causing to individuals & society.

That’s why there are government guidelines that disputed ideological beliefs should not be taught as fact.

There’s nothing odd about pointing out that not everyone believes in your ideology. It’s not a fact just because you personally believe in it.

yes it is

I post about trans issues a bit because transphobic violence has impacted my family, that's all.

Most of the time I chat elsewhere about politics, sport and my interests.

I cannot imagine being so ignorant, so obsessed with hating on a minority, that posting negatively about them was my whole online identity.

Minority people are not a monolith, hive mind, ideology or conspiracy. They are isolated individuals who all experience being trans in different ways.

Recycling old homophobic tropes is not analysis, and creating deeply odd origin stories for trans people suggests a very unhealthy obsession.

@TransParentlyAnnoyed

All of which puts them in grave danger. They live as trans despite enormous social pressure and intense, usually sexual violence I think you would struggle to fathom. It goes far beyond anything I've experienced as a deeply nonconformist woman.

So... They don't live a normal life at all?

And even more so that single SEX spaces should therefore work on the basis of what you think of as “gender”.

It is a belief system, because your sex is a fact. Your belief that someone’s presumed “gender” can be different and distinct from their sex is a belief system, and a disputed one.

That's profoundly ignorant, I'm afraid. You're replying to someone who had no idea their child was trans, and chose in the moment of them coming out not to reject him. I then watched as he revealed his true self to me, and visibly became a different person while only socially transitioning. Witnessing that has changed everything I thought I knew about gender.

Being trans has nothing to do with beliefs. There is no handbook, and every trans person is very different. There is no uniformity to how they express themselves, dress, think, or move in the world. Trans kids are usually isolated with few or no trans friends. It is about following their own inner voice.

All of which puts them in grave danger. They live as trans despite enormous social pressure and intense, usually sexual violence I think you would struggle to fathom. It goes far beyond anything I've experienced as a deeply nonconformist woman. Yet it does not stop them being trans. Nothing does.

Accepting that trans people are born not made, and are profoundly healed by coming out, would probably be very difficult for you.

You'd have to look at what you've devoted your life to - I mean, that username does tell me an awful lot - and own your small part in enabling the extreme violence trans children suffer. What a waste. Unless you enjoy that, I guess.

Exactly.

Can you answer @Leafstamp's question:

What do you think being trans is?

It would help us to understand what you mean when you talk about people (particularly children) 'being trans'. Saying you don't think it's a belief system doesn't really help anyone to understand what you think it is. Tell us what you think it is, not what you think it isn't.

Absolutely not ok at all

Hello OP!

As a trans person myself, I am horrified that children that young should be dragged into this matter in such a way.

All young children need to know is that there are people who believe that they are not the sex they actually are, that those people may change their name and ask that other people use opposite-sex pronouns for them, and that we remain free to acquiesce to their requests or not.

That's it. That's all. No need to go into gender ideology at all. Just "Some people believe X and here's how we can deal with it."

If trans people really accepted themselves, they would accept their birth sex, while not accepting the arbitrary social expectations associated with it.

I agree with this. It is tough, but someone who believes they need to change sex needs to know and accept that it is a biological impossibility and the best they can do is apply tweaks that improve their lives. Others should of course treat them with respect ... that goes without saying.

What is unacceptable is that they should expect others to share their false belief, even to the point of bringing these lies into the schooling of the young.

I agree with everything you’ve said. But particularly in regards to the importance of teaching kindness, tolerance and respect.
This needs to be taught alongside biological truth - the two can go hand in hand, although many trans activists cannot accept that. Many of them believe (it seems) that they can change their sex and that those who dispute this are intolerant. By all means let adults have this debate but there is no need to foist it on young children in a biased way.

How is a Head going to challenge statutory guidance? It suggests they're a trans activist rather than an educator. It also opens them to Ofsted scrutiny if parents complain that they're breaking the law.

Of course it's a belief system. It's the belief that there's something indefinable about them that overrides the physical reality of their sex, so they have to identify as something else. If trans people really accepted themselves, they would accept their birth sex, while not accepting the arbitrary social expectations associated with it.

Oh, and p.s.

Misgendering and disrespecting isn't feminism, it's a refusal to be polite to someone who's different.

it's as rude and pathetic as refusing to acknowledge someone's gay spouse because you don't respect equal marriage - or demeaning a remarried woman because you don't consider her second marriage legitimate.

Being trans isn't a 'belief system'. There isn't anything to believe in other than accepting yourself. There's no exam. All it involves is removing your mask, and revealing your true self.

It can take a while. Lots of people know they are trans long before coming out, and it can take a while to listen to that voice.

I'd suggest you read Nicky Bandini's coming-out article, which describes the inner pressure to come out much more eloquently than I ever could.

I would be withdrawing my child from that school and finding another post haste.

absolutely not. It’s okay to teach acceptance but it’s not okay to force this on a child
of a very young age

I agree with everything you’ve said. But particularly in regards to the importance of teaching kindness, tolerance and respect.