Trans man Freddy McConnell's challenge to be named as father on birth certificate deemed inadmissible by the ECHR

She has an odd way of being a ‘loving parent’, attempting to practically and legally deny that her child has a mother, the original and most fundamental relationship. Absolutely cruel.

Her poor kid, the only child in the playground with almost literally no mum (except that it is a lie). When he or she grows up and understands what she did to satisfy her self perception as a man, there may be some difficult conversations.

The child has a deluded and manipulative mother, and at some point the child will discover she is their mother - not their father. But hey it’s ok to lie to children if it supports your bonkers ideology eh.

They have a loving parent, who they've always known as their dad.

Meanwhile you're here being hateful and nasty about a total.stranger. Amazing life you have there.

I actually think it's irrelevant whether it's deliberate dishonesty or genuine but very disordered ideas about what being a "man" or a "woman" entails.

For me the fundamental point is that Freddie doesn't have the moral right to impose her beliefs onto everyone else.

And the second the law allows for the existence of biological "fathers" who are actually the biological mothers the law has accepted that "mother" and "father" have meanings based on personalities rather than biological sex.

And that changes the meanings of those words for every single one of us who is a biological parent.

If "mother" and "father" are types of personality, every mother and father in the world now has to either transition to the one they think suits them best or accept being seen as that personality in the eyes of the law.

It's abhorrent and twisted. No one should have the right to impose their own sexism on the rest of us like this.

Yes but if you are only able to empathise with trans people and not the people their behaviour effects it is easy to miss the children having any needs at all in favour of what trans people want!!!

Pretending to your child someone else gave birth to them when it was you all along, is quite abusive, in my book. What's FM's answer to "So, Daddy, who gave birth to me?" question?

I don't care in the slightest how they address each other, and nor does the court.

Freddie has already made it perfectly clear that laws don’t apply to Freddie if Freddie doesn’t want them to. So for example, Freddie was only too happy to make a legal declaration that they intend to live the rest of their life as a man in order to be awarded a GRC , but then the very same week trotted down the road to confirm their appointment at the Fertility clinic to fertilise and implant the eggs that they had presumably previously harvested pre testosterone, so that Freddie can do that manly act of carrying their genetic child in their womb.

Manipulative and dishonest.

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Having a supportive, happy dad damages no child.

It's a pity these children won't get that then, she's not been much of a 'father' or any sort of parent to them so far. Given they only exist because she wanted to use them as props in her ongoing attempted political machinations, I don't expect that's going to change anytime soon.

Stop projecting your family dynamics onto children.

They don’t have a dad. They have a deluded mother.

Surely a GRC becomes null and void once you give birth? Giving birth isn’t ’living as your acquired ’ gender, I.e as a male.

Just shows how nonsensical it all is.

Having a supportive, happy dad damages no child.

Abuse, control and neglect are deleterious to kids - how their parents choose to identify or have sex is not.

Your prejudice is your own problem.

I think Freddie should have lost the right to call herself a man and be legally recognised as a man the minute she chose to use her female reproductive organs to conceive a child, carry it and birth it through her vagina, frankly.

No. Freddie doesn't get to live a life chosen at the expense of a child.

We care about the sexism.

People living how they live - fine.

People literally applying to the courts to have their sexist beliefs about men and women being different types of minds written into law, literally legally redefining every single one of us just to satisfy their own disordered projections?

Not fine.

Not fine at all.

Freddie is asking for this. Freddie is demanding this. Freddie is taking it to court. Freddie is making her parenting choices into a public business by asking the courts to impose her ideas about what it is to be a man or a wonen into laws that affect everybody else as well.

So if Frreddie just wants to be left alone to be a parent, Freddie is going about it a very weird way.

Lots of TRA say that birth certificates arent that important. The get a GRC and both certificates are thrown into a drawer, rarely used again. Or that they dont get a GRC because it only gives them a rarely used birth certificate.

But for Freddie, his children's birth certificate will affect his relationship with them?

Question is why anyone else would care.

Truth matters. We stop caring about this untruth, we may as well stop caring about everything. When the pressure to tolerate untruths and ignore facts in favour of feelings reaches its full conclusion and we live in some freakish society where absolutely no-one and no legal institution takes any notice of what is and isn't true any more, dismissing it as irrelevant, it will affect you in so many ways which are nightmarish that you'll be on here complaining about it soon enough.

Shame her kids don’t get to live their life with a mum they can call mum. It’s quite cruel and amazing that ‘trans’ advocates have zero regard for the feelings or needs of the kids. They do not exist as validation tools.

Question is why anyone else would care.

The court recognized that a coherent system of birth registration is in everyone’s interest, and that to describe the parent who gave birth to a child as “father” would mess with the interpretation of dozens and dozens of other laws and regulations.

All of which outweighed FM’s interests.

An equally good question is why does FM care so much? His child will, as you say, call him whatever suits them both and will know that FM was his natural mother, regardless.

Agreed the Spanish approach is not laudable. Denigrating motherhood in that way would be strongly opposed where I am in Ireland in spite of some very pro trans laws here.

That's a shame. He's a trans guy and his kid will call him dad.

Question is why anyone else would care. It's a private matter and affects no 'women's spaces' at all. How other people choose to live has nothing to do with anyone else.

All I care about is Freddy's a fantastic writer and very decent person, so I want him to live his life as he wants.

If Freddie didn't want to be a mother then Freddie should not have used Freddie's eggs and womb to grow a baby (with the help of a man's sperm which Freddie was unable to provide in spite of Freddie's insistence that Freddie is a man) and then used Freddie's vagina to birth said baby.

From the moment of birth a child will need someone to be responsible for them. The one person in the world with a guaranteed link to the baby is the mother. And also the one person who is always present.

In this context Mother means the person who gave birth and the person with automatic safeguarding responsibility for the baby.

If it isnt the mother who has that responsibility? Any other parent may not be present.

For the most part, the mother has to choose to give up PR. So the authories need to know who the mother is, and that she did agree to give up or share PR with someone who isnt her husband.

That's why 'mother' on the birth certificate is so important.

So in the case of two male partners is it the case that the woman whose body gestated the child is legally erased forever ? Or is it like in the UK where she will be registered on the original birth certificate and the details changed when parental authority is assigned to the parents who will raise the child.

It was brought in originally in 2006 as is clear from the BOE. Of course Spain has issues with misogyny as does every country on earth. However I think if you look at our policies you will find there is rather a lot more being done about it here than in the UK.

Also The Olive Press is hardly a serious news source for Spanish news. It is basically a magazine for expats. And that article mentions nothing about the use of gender neutral terms in birth certificates.