Draft Conversion Practices Bill - published

It will be interesting to see what Burnham does with the HoLs. Some wrongun’s and some daftees but some surprisingly good Lords. I’m not sure I’d have any faith in a second elected house. Not working out great for the US.

That was a great response from Baroness Cash. And just a lot of waffle and “it’ll be sorted out” in response.

Thanks for the link, eyeball melting drivel 🤢

"Across the globe, countries are acting to ban conversion practices. We have learned from the 28 countries that have some sort of ban in place."

This isn't about what this country needs, it's about them cementing their place in the Global Left. I bet the 28 countries are all in Europe, plus Aus, NZ and Tranada.

Well the MPs won't.

Just one example we're all familiar with - many don't actually know the difference between the law and guidance, and look confused when you point out that they're attacking women and gay rights while claiming to be lovely, and are madly fixed on forcing women to undress in front of any dodgy man who wander in with his right to be there and force himself on her way above any human right of hers, but deny this because it's about WORDS. Usually words stripped of any rationality, 'respect' is one thrown around a lot.

These are people you wouldn't send out to run a stall at the village fete.

Too many are activist MPs with big feelings, big opinions, very little knowledge about what they're busy shouting about, and are emotion/gesture driven. Seeing the pitfalls and consequences of a stupid, badly drafted activist driven bill is unlikely. Thank God for the HoL so there's at least some check on them.

House of Lords have had their first debate on the Conversion Therapy Bill.

Sounds like it is going to see a lot of scrutiny there is a lot of focus on the threat to parents. Baroness Cash points out the shoddy research the law is based on. Even the Lib Dem spokesman is concerned about the ill defined nature of the bill.

The Ministers don't have much of a rational response.

Read in Hansard
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Lords/2026-07-01/debates/C5C2A2F3-FB5B-4580-A214-4765AE3B4359/DraftConversionPracticesBill?__cf_chl_f_tk=gXN3TageO3io1BvM9sZWpAk7zvX2_s2ZqIVUxHX1j3I-1782976310-1.0.1.1-4f2MCVpj81Tj3iXZ7cU2Xhb7oYumsHYpi2G5Qmz2T8E

Watch
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m002ylyw/house-of-lords-conversion-practices-bill-statement?seriesId=unsliced&page=1

First comment under the JB piece makes a not surprising but important point: why are the oversight organisations, trade bodies, whatever term you want to use, why are they always captured?

Julie Bindel
The 'conversion therapy' bill is an abomination
https://juliebindel.substack.com/p/the-conversion-therapy-bill-is-an?

The ‘conversion therapy’ ban is a Trojan horse for trans extremism
Parents, therapists and any concerned adult could be jailed for challenging a child’s gender identity.
Stella O’Malley is the director and founder of Genspect.

This bill creates an extraordinary moral inconsistency reminiscent of the Soviet Union, where it didn’t matter whether you were correct, only whether you were politically correct. Last week in the House of Lords, Hilary Cass described parents who socially transitioned their two-year-old son, affirming him as a girl and setting him on a pathway that has left him, aged 11, with ‘weak bones’ as a result of being largely confined to his bedroom. According to the logic of this bill, those parents should be applauded. Yet parents who question a child’s transgender identity, encourage psychological exploration, or simply ask their son or daughter to wait before embarking on irreversible medical treatment may find themselves jailed for being politically incorrect.

The evidence for this extraordinary expansion of state power is remarkably weak. Ministers repeatedly cite a report from Galop, an anti-abuse charity, as justification for banning what it calls conversion practices. Yet after reviewing around 13,500 client records over three years, researchers found just 371 potential cases, only 195 of which contained enough information to analyse. The report’s most serious examples involve assault, rape, forced marriage, deprivation of liberty and coercive control – all already criminal offences that should be prosecuted vigorously. On such flimsy evidence, the government proposes to redraw the boundaries between the state and the family.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2026/06/30/the-conversion-therapy-ban-is-a-trojan-horse-for-trans-extremism/

Reception at 10 Downing Street reports TAs lobbying hard for the bill. They have immense influence fighting backing back will be tough

NB I think Esses misunderstands Starmer's polite noncommittal comment and other points of Labour politics here. Esses doesn't point out that TAs are massive liars and will tend to exaggerate their position and influence - it ids real but there are limits. Starmer doesn't care about trans stuff or women's rights much. He will take path of least resistance. The Trans lobby does have power in Labour, but it is NOT in control. It can be resisted. The big issue is that women and gay voices are marginalised in Labour and have to make a big noise before being heard. The situation is way better now than it was 6 years ago because of the fightback and more ground can be gained. The Tories have sidelined trans stuff in their party it was huge only a few years ago. It can be done.

https://nitter.net/JamesEsses/status/2071997476815405542

Nah, I'd rather she was eaten. 😂😂😂😂

There is always the possibility that NW might flip. Lots of gender crits were formerly very pro trans rights you just need to listen to the TAs enough that you understand how much they hate women.

Labour List always publish articles on both sides of the gender crazy debate. TAs hate that they do that, but it shows the current state inside Labour.

This is the argument in favour of passing the conversion therapy bill article published at the same time:

‘The UK’s conversion therapy ban is long overdue – now Parliament must deliver’
Joe Dharampal-Hornby & Rachel Taylor MP
https://labourlist.org/2026/06/ban-conversion-practices-uk/

Labour is internally divided on this issue. Amongst MPs some will be working to undermine, amend or toss out this awful bill. There is going to be a big debate on the bill this thread is part of that. We are just starting.

The pro-bill arguments are not strong. We can win this as long as we keep pushing.

I wonder if it's penetrated NW thick skull or just bounced off as usual, and she's blithely going on her way tra, tra, tralling until she gets eaten. 😂

To be honest, if it stops everyone in their tracks from talking about 'trans' because they could be on either side of a 'conversion practice' it might be no bad thing.

Whatever you do it is NEVER enough.

Terror group Bash Back are going after Nadia Whittome Labour MP, who has repeatedly put men in dresses before herself - for supporting the conversion therapy bill. Remember because the bill doesn't stop people hating and talking about women and gays enough and has some protections for medical discussion so many Trans activists are against it. X posts.

https://nitter.net/lwhb__/status/2072007073605259354

This is a major reason we might be able to take this bill down. Even TAs think it is bad.

Thank you that sets out the arguments against the draft bill so clearly.

Thanks for the link, a refreshingly realistic view of this batshittery, I hope it gains traction amongst the labour MP's.

"It is gesture politics dressed up as principle." Well put, and on a personal note I see the Dermot Kehoe is a Welshman, it does my heart good to know not everyone in the political landscape of Wales is captured. 😲 Hope still endures.

Its not how many agree, but how many agree and are prepared to say that publicly. And I think we know the answer to that.

Was surprised to find out that in fact Labour List is (not 100%) funded by Unions.

In case of interest:
Quote:
'To reflect gender identity beliefs as a set of undisputed facts is not only mistaken but it comes at a huge cost – especially to the women and children that the criminal law should be there to protect. '
Rt Hon Sir Robert Buckland KBE KC MP, former Lord Chancellor and Secretary of State for Justice

from a report on how the proposals will impact wives/ children of trans identifying men , particularly victims of domestic abuse, sexual assault and coercive control, based on similar plans from the CPS a couple of years ago: link here:

https://policyexchange.org.uk/publication/the-crown-prosecution-services-approach-to-transgenderism/

and on X the 'Children of Transitioners' group have raised various concerns. Their x/ nitter handle is Childrenoftrans

The Labourlist people always seem pretty sane. How many Labour MPs agree with them, though? And are prepared to stand up and say so?

‘Labour’s draft Conversion Practices Bill is unnecessary, illiberal and politically motivated’

... Yet the government has just published a draft Conversion Practices Bill that introduces new criminal offences, carrying up to five years in prison, for “abusive” acts intended to change or suppress someone’s sexual orientation or transgender identity. It claims a high threshold and exemptions for legitimate healthcare. But in reality, the drafting is dangerously vague, the evidence base threadbare, and the timing politically revealing.

... The political drivers are equally clear. The trans activist lobby has suffered a series of reversals: the collapse of self-ID ambitions in Scotland, court rulings affirming that sex is biological and material in prisons, sports and single-sex spaces, and the restructuring of NHS gender services. In that context, a broad conversion practices bill looks like a low-cost political concession. Something that can be presented as “standing up for LGBT+ people” without tackling the harder questions about evidence, child protection or the material reality of sex. It is gesture politics dressed up as principle.

https://labourlist.org/2026/06/labours-draft-conversion-practices-bill-is-unnecessary-illiberal-and-politically-motivated/

Article being promoted by LGB Alliance

How many places are on the list, and how long will it take to get to the bottom. 😁
(Although to note there aren't 93 countries in Europe)

Stonewall still shroud waving with the 'suicide' bollocks.

Separate the LGB from the T, and most likely suddenly the UK will be golden when it comes to LGB.

I've seen a lot of stuff on SM lately along the lines of "the UK has fallen to 93rd in the list of LGBTQ+ friendly European nations".
Who draws up these lists, and what rigorous criteria are used, is not made clear.

All those rights that have been taken away from trans people, right? (Untrue, of course)

Same old dishonest self-pitying.

Sorry if this has already been posted:

Simon Blake's (CEO Stonewall) take on the reasons we need this Conversion Bill (from 25 June 2026):

https://www.stonewall.org.uk/news/when-our-community-is-under-attack-we-organise-we-fight-we-overcome

A few choice excerpts (my bold):

Meaningful action has been delayed while the ongoing debate itself has pathologised LGBTQ+ people and left young people, in particular, at increased risk of self-harm, suicide and poorer mental health. [ah, ye olde "suicide ideation" - Simon, you'll need to try harder]

At a time of great turbulence when many people in our diverse and wonderful community need to hear this parliament to say unequivocally that Lesbian, Gay, Bi, Trans and Queer people do not need changing. [not a complete sentence] We are good exactly as we are. [Simon, you haven't spoken to Nancy, have you?]

Stonewall’s vision is a world where everyone everywhere has equal rights. [funny guy]

significant gap in equality protections for trans people in the UK following the Supreme Court judgment and subsequent EHRC guidance. [well, that's just a lie]

.......………

Note the use of LGBTQ+ throughout. I haven't seen "Trans+" in a while- maybe it was tried for a while but hasn't taken?

The only thing Dr Cass, and anybody else in the chamber, should have been saying was that those parents should be arrested for child abuse