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All transwomen are to be moved out of Scottish female prisons today. 🙌🏻

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sohard · 23/06/2026 12:48

https://x.com/forwomenscot/status/2069385340159225981?s=46&t=AjtjSItRj-kgZwRzL-pdyQ

Scotgov will not appeal and the current transgender policy has been withdrawn. At long bloody last!!

For Women Scotland (@ForWomenScot) on X

Scottish Government will not appeal Lady Ross's ruling on prisons.

https://x.com/forwomenscot/status/2069385340159225981?s=46&t=AjtjSItRj-kgZwRzL-pdyQ

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AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 24/06/2026 17:22

The awful thing is seeing people you know to be intelligent, and in general quite sensible, being caught up in this horrendous herd mentality and starting to mouth the slogans without apparently having thought about them at all.

Someone I had previously thought quite bright recently told me off for saying I wasn't keen on JK Rowling's writing but failing to say she was an evil anti-trans whatever I was meant to say, and loudly and angrily informed me that I ought to shut up because she was using her money to try to destroy all trans people. wtaf? Clearly very short on information, long on propaganda.

misscockerspaniel · 24/06/2026 17:01

MummyWillow1 · 24/06/2026 09:13

So you are celebrating society moving backwards? The comments here are ridiculous.

Have any of you wondered why trans women were moved to women’s prisons in the first place? It wasn’t because people campaigned for it or any ‘trans rights’. It was because the prison guards were sick of having to clean up the mess after they were attacked constantly. All this does is create a bigger problem in the prison population for woefully under staffed and under paid prison guards.

Great example of the sort of misinformation spread by TRAs.

ENGLANDalltheway · 24/06/2026 16:37

Waitwhat23 · 24/06/2026 10:34

Vulnerable female prisoners are not human shields, validation resources or support humans. The female prison estate is not a convenient resource to be utilised for the benefit of men.

Quite astonishing that a (presumably) grown adult thinks they are, frankly.

This.

TIMs problems are not for biological women to solve either. Maybe sort out the segregation in men's prisons.

Shedmistress · 24/06/2026 16:31

quixote9 · 24/06/2026 16:28

Have you wondered why women are housed separately from male inmates?

Go on. Take your time.

And once you've got that, extra points for explaining why it's up to women to compensate for male violence.

We could be here a while.

Shedmistress · 24/06/2026 16:31

Seethlaw · 24/06/2026 15:24

Oh, that reminds me of the anaconda in the gerbils' cage discussion we had a few days ago. It was just as delightfully nonsensical 😂

I genuinely do not know how anyone has the patience this week, I really don't.

murasaki · 24/06/2026 16:31

mrshoho · 24/06/2026 16:27

I only found out quite recently (possibly on MN) that the non-conviction police data on an enhanced dbs check is only updated every 9 months? This could include warnings, fixed penalties, arrests and/or investigation but no charges etc. So convictions are updated weekly but non convictions on every 9 months.

I do think the whole system needs updating and bringing in to the 21st century!

Also, you have to put down 5 years of addresses. I was dealing with PhD students at the start of their courses, often from overseas. When a DBS comes back within a week, I do not believe that the overseas police forces were asked to check. At all.

quixote9 · 24/06/2026 16:28

MummyWillow1 · 24/06/2026 09:13

So you are celebrating society moving backwards? The comments here are ridiculous.

Have any of you wondered why trans women were moved to women’s prisons in the first place? It wasn’t because people campaigned for it or any ‘trans rights’. It was because the prison guards were sick of having to clean up the mess after they were attacked constantly. All this does is create a bigger problem in the prison population for woefully under staffed and under paid prison guards.

Have you wondered why women are housed separately from male inmates?

Go on. Take your time.

And once you've got that, extra points for explaining why it's up to women to compensate for male violence.

mrshoho · 24/06/2026 16:27

murasaki · 24/06/2026 15:16

It only certifies that on the day the checks were run, there was nothing to see, or that there was, and employers cam make a judgement call on whether it's relevant to the job. I have in the past, as it totally wasn't relevant and she'd been working for years. It basically lasts 24 hours. We gave them 3 years, bit someone could have been charged the next day and still had a clean one until renewal. Employers can set their own lengths for requiring a new one.

The update service does help, but you still need to set a check date.

I only found out quite recently (possibly on MN) that the non-conviction police data on an enhanced dbs check is only updated every 9 months? This could include warnings, fixed penalties, arrests and/or investigation but no charges etc. So convictions are updated weekly but non convictions on every 9 months.

I do think the whole system needs updating and bringing in to the 21st century!

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 24/06/2026 16:06

The whole business was typical of the owner of the snake not being prepared to pay attention to what was going on.

Yes, one of the mice found it a problem; I am unsure how much of a problem having been eaten in turn was for the snake, but it did get taken to the vet about it.

Seethlaw · 24/06/2026 15:44

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 24/06/2026 15:33

I knew a python who was left in the cage with two mice intended for his lunch. One of them started to chew him when he was torpid after eating the other.

Gerbils could be very bad for an anaconda.

But it did get to eat one of the mice, right? So that's still kind of a problem.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 24/06/2026 15:33

I knew a python who was left in the cage with two mice intended for his lunch. One of them started to chew him when he was torpid after eating the other.

Gerbils could be very bad for an anaconda.

murasaki · 24/06/2026 15:31

Dominoodles · 24/06/2026 15:24

Aww I missed that one lol

Oh it was a doozy 😂

Dominoodles · 24/06/2026 15:24

Seethlaw · 24/06/2026 15:24

Oh, that reminds me of the anaconda in the gerbils' cage discussion we had a few days ago. It was just as delightfully nonsensical 😂

Aww I missed that one lol

Seethlaw · 24/06/2026 15:24

Dominoodles · 24/06/2026 15:19

'oh no, this dog is getting picked on and attacked by the other dogs. Clearly it's not safe here, so instead of training the other dogs to not attack, let's put this one in with the cats instead, that can't end badly'

Oh, that reminds me of the anaconda in the gerbils' cage discussion we had a few days ago. It was just as delightfully nonsensical 😂

Dominoodles · 24/06/2026 15:19

Seethlaw · 24/06/2026 09:19

It was because the prison guards were sick of having to clean up the mess after they were attacked constantly.

Even if that were true, the solution is not to transfer them in a place where they don't belong, and where they endanger the legitimate occupants. Like, how is that not obvious?

'oh no, this dog is getting picked on and attacked by the other dogs. Clearly it's not safe here, so instead of training the other dogs to not attack, let's put this one in with the cats instead, that can't end badly'

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 24/06/2026 15:18

And it assumes you got caught; it's no use in dealing with clever people who have managed to avoid that.

murasaki · 24/06/2026 15:16

stickygotstuck · 24/06/2026 15:11

Yes, I know that (which FWIW I stills find discombobulating, having been brought up in a place with ID cards!).

But then, what exactly is a DBS certificate certifying? The last 2 years of your life since you changed your name unilaterally? What use is the bloody certificate then?

It only certifies that on the day the checks were run, there was nothing to see, or that there was, and employers cam make a judgement call on whether it's relevant to the job. I have in the past, as it totally wasn't relevant and she'd been working for years. It basically lasts 24 hours. We gave them 3 years, bit someone could have been charged the next day and still had a clean one until renewal. Employers can set their own lengths for requiring a new one.

The update service does help, but you still need to set a check date.

stickygotstuck · 24/06/2026 15:11

Toffeefudgecaramel · 24/06/2026 11:33

In the UK you can change your name without any paperwork. I could change my name on my CV and then use it at my new job. I could have 2 names, one at work and one at home, as some married women do. If I don't disclose the other name when applying for a criminal records check, how do they know about it?

Yes, I know that (which FWIW I stills find discombobulating, having been brought up in a place with ID cards!).

But then, what exactly is a DBS certificate certifying? The last 2 years of your life since you changed your name unilaterally? What use is the bloody certificate then?

Toffeefudgecaramel · 24/06/2026 15:09

I'm just saying that it would be possible to deal with this problem by way of identity cards. Not that the government would actually do something as useful as that. As far as I'm aware other countries don't just let people change their name without any kind of formal process, have more than one name at a time, and so on. It's lovely for criminals. As for married women - married people could be allowed to use both names, but there'd need to be some kind of registration process, adding the married name to the identity card. It would then be linked for criminal record check purposes.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 24/06/2026 14:54

Toffeefudgecaramel · 24/06/2026 14:48

I suppose this could be another argument in favour of identity cards - you can only use the name on your identity card.

That doesn't work for scads and scads of married woman who have a married name (to be the same as their children) and a work-name, likewise professional women who use a simpler name than Esmeralda ffitchett Mount-Stephens for their work, or anyone who has changed their surname from Sidebottom, Hooker or Daft for some obscure reason.

Wishesandhorses · 24/06/2026 14:53

Toffeefudgecaramel · 24/06/2026 14:48

I suppose this could be another argument in favour of identity cards - you can only use the name on your identity card.

i thought the govt had already established that digital ID when it comes will be as open to chosen fictionalisation as birth certificates?

Rendering them somewhat as expensively pointless as the HS2.

murasaki · 24/06/2026 14:50

Wasn't Hudson the one with the x inch 'surprise'? So terribly female of him.

Toffeefudgecaramel · 24/06/2026 14:48

I suppose this could be another argument in favour of identity cards - you can only use the name on your identity card.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 24/06/2026 14:48

In the case of Tara Hudson it was Cheryl Morgan, who lived local.

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